PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Ambivalent

Junior Member
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

I know the USN has done at least some preliminary studies on tri hull carriers. I have been an advocate of these myself, with one big reservation. I think the tri hull layout allows for a very big flight deck and hangar spaces for a given displacement, and flying airplanes is the reason such ships exist. The stability in heavy seas is especially attractive. They do not heel when the helm is thrown over hard. Now the reservations; I do not know how much hull volume such a design will leave for ammunition and fuel, nor how well the normal number of ammunition magazines could be protected adequately. They are very well protected from ordinance on a US style CVN. If nuclear propulsion is to be used, is there adequate space for reactors and their shielding. What does this do to the space available for ammo? Not enough information to make a good decision, but I would not dismiss a tri hull carrier out of hand.
Hey Popeye, you forgot to mention how many people are living and working in the spaces between the hangar and flight decks. This was a feature introduced with the Essex class to help absorb bomb hits. The armor on those ships was on the hangar decks, 4 inches of it. The two decks above were supposed to absorb the majority of the damage, protecting the hull and machinery from damage.
 

planeman

Senior Member
VIP Professional
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Modified design with a few changes.

Hull: outriggers are longer below waterline to increase roll resistance. Main hull is slightly longer at rear below waterline with third prop (non-podded by electric drive). Stabilizers enlarged.

Flight deck: Catapults replaced by ski-jump, reducing cost, complexity and crew. Also allows a forth CIWS to be mounted forward on port-side so now has four CIWS giving full 360 degrees coverage. Skijump is poorly modelled, please allow for that. Munitions lift moved to port. Island moved forward to between lifts. Ski-jump is modular and easily removed if catapults are to be retro-fitted.

Deck 'hangers': My idea to solve the radar cross-section/IR signature problem of flightdeck operations. Large lightweight bolt-on structures that cover aircraft in quick-reaction positions. Material could be something like fibreglass with IR and radar reflecting layers (note faceted shape). The carrier isn't stealthy, but the IR and RF signature is intended to be minimised to complicate targeting. If these structures were found impractical they could be removed at minimal cost.

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planeman

Senior Member
VIP Professional
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Modified design with a few changes.

Hull: outriggers are longer below waterline to increase roll resistance. Main hull is slightly longer at rear below waterline with third prop (non-podded by electric drive). Stabilizers enlarged.

Flight deck: Catapults replaced by ski-jump, reducing cost, complexity and crew. Also allows a forth CIWS to be mounted forward on port-side so now has four CIWS giving full 360 degrees coverage. Skijump is poorly modelled, please allow for that. Munitions lift moved to port. Island moved forward to between lifts. Ski-jump is modular and easily removed if catapults are to be retro-fitted.

Deck 'hangers': My idea to solve the radar cross-section/IR signature problem of flightdeck operations. Large lightweight bolt-on structures that cover aircraft in quick-reaction positions. Material could be something like fibreglass with IR and radar reflecting layers (note faceted shape). The carrier isn't stealthy, but the IR and RF signature is intended to be minimised to complicate targeting. If these structures were found impractical they could be removed at minimal cost.

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2d6o9wp.jpg


311tb7q.jpg


zn7ac8.jpg


2cgk40z.jpg
 

planeman

Senior Member
VIP Professional
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Modified design with a few changes.

Hull: outriggers are longer below waterline to increase roll resistance. Main hull is slightly longer at rear below waterline with third prop (non-podded by electric drive). Stabilizers enlarged.

Flight deck: Catapults replaced by ski-jump, reducing cost, complexity and crew. Also allows a forth CIWS to be mounted forward on port-side so now has four CIWS giving full 360 degrees coverage. Skijump is poorly modelled, please allow for that. Munitions lift moved to port. Island moved forward to between lifts. Ski-jump is modular and easily removed if catapults are to be retro-fitted.

Deck 'hangers': My idea to solve the radar cross-section/IR signature problem of flightdeck operations. Large lightweight bolt-on structures that cover aircraft in quick-reaction positions. Material could be something like fibreglass with IR and radar reflecting layers (note faceted shape). The carrier isn't stealthy, but the IR and RF signature is intended to be minimised to complicate targeting. If these structures were found impractical they could be removed at minimal cost.

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2d6o9wp.jpg


311tb7q.jpg


zn7ac8.jpg


2cgk40z.jpg
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Deck 'hangers': My idea to solve the radar cross-section/IR signature problem of flight deck operations. Large lightweight bolt-on structures that cover aircraft in quick-reaction positions

Planeman sometimes the wind coming across that flight deck is in excess of 50 knots. That may knock those structures down.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Deck 'hangers': My idea to solve the radar cross-section/IR signature problem of flight deck operations. Large lightweight bolt-on structures that cover aircraft in quick-reaction positions

Planeman sometimes the wind coming across that flight deck is in excess of 50 knots. That may knock those structures down.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Deck 'hangers': My idea to solve the radar cross-section/IR signature problem of flight deck operations. Large lightweight bolt-on structures that cover aircraft in quick-reaction positions

Planeman sometimes the wind coming across that flight deck is in excess of 50 knots. That may knock those structures down.
 

planeman

Senior Member
VIP Professional
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

yep, they'd need to be strong, flexible, ventilated (no prob) and secure. Guess carbon fibre rather than regular fibreglass, ups the cost a bit but not astronomically. The aircraft inside would be secured in the usual way.
 

planeman

Senior Member
VIP Professional
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

yep, they'd need to be strong, flexible, ventilated (no prob) and secure. Guess carbon fibre rather than regular fibreglass, ups the cost a bit but not astronomically. The aircraft inside would be secured in the usual way.
 

planeman

Senior Member
VIP Professional
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

yep, they'd need to be strong, flexible, ventilated (no prob) and secure. Guess carbon fibre rather than regular fibreglass, ups the cost a bit but not astronomically. The aircraft inside would be secured in the usual way.
 
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