PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Well well this is pretty interesting and excellent news. It seems the PLAN has more or less officially said they will build fairly large aircraft carriers. This still might not pan out to be totally legit. Even if it is entirely true the PLAN will probably keep everything more or less secret for the next few years, rather than putting it out in public like most countries. Nice find Rising China. I hope this is entirely true.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Well well this is pretty interesting and excellent news. It seems the PLAN has more or less officially said they will build fairly large aircraft carriers. This still might not pan out to be totally legit. Even if it is entirely true the PLAN will probably keep everything more or less secret for the next few years, rather than putting it out in public like most countries. Nice find Rising China. I hope this is entirely true.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Rising China said:

China plans to begin building two aircraft carriers next year, a Japanese newspaper reported Wednesday,...The carriers could be in the fleet by 2015, the story said.

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This is where this stroy falls apart. I find it impossible to believe that they will start the carriers "next year", ie. 2010 and have them both "in the fleet" by 2015, fice years later...built and commissioned.

I expect that the carriers may start building this year, finish building in 2015, and be in the fleet maybe by 2017 or 2018 in terms of operational with their carrier air wings.

Until they have those air wings on board, I will not consider them carriers, "in the fleet".

Then will come many years of making that carrier air wing effective.

If they finish the Varyag this year or next year, she could certainly be "in the fleet" and operational with an airwing (albeit not very effective as they too would require years of training) by 2012-2013.

This story is also being reported

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Rising China said:

China plans to begin building two aircraft carriers next year, a Japanese newspaper reported Wednesday,...The carriers could be in the fleet by 2015, the story said.

Click to expand...

This is where this stroy falls apart. I find it impossible to believe that they will start the carriers "next year", ie. 2010 and have them both "in the fleet" by 2015, fice years later...built and commissioned.

I expect that the carriers may start building this year, finish building in 2015, and be in the fleet maybe by 2017 or 2018 in terms of operational with their carrier air wings.

Until they have those air wings on board, I will not consider them carriers, "in the fleet".

Then will come many years of making that carrier air wing effective.

If they finish the Varyag this year or next year, she could certainly be "in the fleet" and operational with an airwing (albeit not very effective as they too would require years of training) by 2012-2013.

This story is also being reported

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Rising China said:

China plans to begin building two aircraft carriers next year, a Japanese newspaper reported Wednesday,...The carriers could be in the fleet by 2015, the story said.

Click to expand...

This is where this stroy falls apart. I find it impossible to believe that they will start the carriers "next year", ie. 2010 and have them both "in the fleet" by 2015, fice years later...built and commissioned.

I expect that the carriers may start building this year, finish building in 2015, and be in the fleet maybe by 2017 or 2018 in terms of operational with their carrier air wings.

Until they have those air wings on board, I will not consider them carriers, "in the fleet".

Then will come many years of making that carrier air wing effective.

If they finish the Varyag this year or next year, she could certainly be "in the fleet" and operational with an airwing (albeit not very effective as they too would require years of training) by 2012-2013.

This story is also being reported

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Jeff Head said:

Until they have those air wings on board, I will not consider them carriers, "in the fleet".

Then will come many years of making that carrier air wing effective.

If they finish the Varyag this year or next year, she could certainly be "in the fleet" and operational with an airwing (albeit not very effective as they too would require years of training) by 2012-2013.

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If the Varyag is available for training for the next 3-4 years, why can't she have multiple air wings to rotate and train? Then, when the two indigenous carriers are available, you already have air wings standing by. And yes, the effectiveness equation is another matter.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Jeff Head said:

Until they have those air wings on board, I will not consider them carriers, "in the fleet".

Then will come many years of making that carrier air wing effective.

If they finish the Varyag this year or next year, she could certainly be "in the fleet" and operational with an airwing (albeit not very effective as they too would require years of training) by 2012-2013.

Click to expand...

If the Varyag is available for training for the next 3-4 years, why can't she have multiple air wings to rotate and train? Then, when the two indigenous carriers are available, you already have air wings standing by. And yes, the effectiveness equation is another matter.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Jeff Head said:

Until they have those air wings on board, I will not consider them carriers, "in the fleet".

Then will come many years of making that carrier air wing effective.

If they finish the Varyag this year or next year, she could certainly be "in the fleet" and operational with an airwing (albeit not very effective as they too would require years of training) by 2012-2013.

Click to expand...

If the Varyag is available for training for the next 3-4 years, why can't she have multiple air wings to rotate and train? Then, when the two indigenous carriers are available, you already have air wings standing by. And yes, the effectiveness equation is another matter.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

joshuatree said:

If the Varyag is available for training for the next 3-4 years, why can't she have multiple air wings to rotate and train? Then, when the two indigenous carriers are available, you already have air wings standing by. And yes, the effectiveness equation is another matter.

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If the Varyag is indeed ready and used heavilyy to train air wings...then they may be able to get the two new carriers operational by 2017 at the earliest IMHO with limited effectiveness as regards going up against a US or UK carrier, but clearly exceeding anything else locally in the region..

I do not believe they will build two carriers from scratch in five years. The US and other countries with far more expertise take 6-7 byears simply to build them.

We shall see.

But if they start building in 2010, then it will most likely be at least 2016 before they are completed building.

Even if an air wing is ready, it will take 1-2 years to commission the carrier with all of its systems and operations being tested in preparation for commissioning. I'd say maybe 2017, more likely 2018...but that's just my opinion.

The Varyag on the other hand could be ready by 2012-2013 if they finish her this year.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

joshuatree said:

If the Varyag is available for training for the next 3-4 years, why can't she have multiple air wings to rotate and train? Then, when the two indigenous carriers are available, you already have air wings standing by. And yes, the effectiveness equation is another matter.

Click to expand...

If the Varyag is indeed ready and used heavilyy to train air wings...then they may be able to get the two new carriers operational by 2017 at the earliest IMHO with limited effectiveness as regards going up against a US or UK carrier, but clearly exceeding anything else locally in the region..

I do not believe they will build two carriers from scratch in five years. The US and other countries with far more expertise take 6-7 byears simply to build them.

We shall see.

But if they start building in 2010, then it will most likely be at least 2016 before they are completed building.

Even if an air wing is ready, it will take 1-2 years to commission the carrier with all of its systems and operations being tested in preparation for commissioning. I'd say maybe 2017, more likely 2018...but that's just my opinion.

The Varyag on the other hand could be ready by 2012-2013 if they finish her this year.