PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Re: Latest Varyag Info and Photos

Semi-Lobster said:

Although the 'general' speculation is the use of the WS-10A, theres still that list from the WS10A thread that mentions the 155 Kn 'WS10G' engine, and besides, the J-11 is capable of Mach 2.35, going lower from that would still be a very fast aircraft. Of course this is all speculating on speculation, if this Shenyang J-13 is the real deal, the only way we will know more about its airframe is by getting more pictures and thats the sort ofthing that could take many months to be able to have enough to know for sure.

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I've always known it as J-15. But either way, this WS-10B engine is still a far way from being completed regardless of what the other table says. I'm also very skeptical toward the part where huitong called it semi-stealth.

Re: Latest Varyag Info and Photos

tphuang said:

I've always known it as J-15. But either way, this WS-10B engine is still a far way from being completed regardless of what the other table says. I'm also very skeptical toward the part where huitong called it semi-stealth.

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I personally wouldhave preferred calling the aircraft something else but it wouldn't be the first time a fighters designation was taken by another (the original J-11 and the 'new' J-11). The problem is that none of the images match up? First we have the Su-27/J-11 drawing, then we have the CCTV7 image of a new aircraft, and the 3rd (the line mentioning stealth) is just the same as the one from the J-14 section. The article first talks about early speculation as a J-11 variant, then says the most recent rumour is a new 'semi-steath' design which I take it is the trapezoidal winged aircraft from CCTV7. The later certainly seems within the 'realm' of possibility. We have that mystery cockpit Zhuhai 2008 which looks sort of similiar to the CCTV7 image which we still don't really know what context its from is. Basically the only thing the article seems to confirm is that Shenyang is trying to build a carrierborn fighter and we already all knew that. But what sort of beast this bird will be is obviously still in speculation. Huitong states his reference as 's'.... I have no idea what 's' is supposed to be.

Re: Latest Varyag Info and Photos

Sczepan said:

Gents, may be I am stupid - but I can't realise the context of Varyag (Info and Photos) and those speculations about the airframe of J-11 or Shenyang's J-13
The Varyag is a ship, as I know - the others are aircrafts, rigth?
did you captured this thread :nono:

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The J-13 according to huitong is a carrierborn fighter.

Also very interesting article, it certainly matches up the earlier enlargement of the facilities at Shanghai.

Re: Future PLAN Carrier Borne Aircraft

Since there is a great intrest in this subject I've established this thread for the discussion of future PLAN carrier borne aircraft.

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Re: Future PLAN Carrier Borne Aircraft

bd popeye said:

Since there is a great intrest in this subject I've established this thread for the discussion of future PLAN carrier borne aircraft.

bd popeye super moderator

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Ah thanks, I wasn't really sure were to put all of this.

Re: Future PLAN Carrier Borne Aircraft

Hmmm just noticed this tread right now .... very interesting, esp. if the main-gear is actually finished as discussed in other threads (see: carrier tread at CDF).

But I want to ask one other point: Is this type the J-13 mentioned in the powerplant/engines-diagram which is said to be powered by a WS-10G with 155 kN ???

If yes that fighter would be regarded as a heavy fighter and not in the class of the Super-Hornet !

Otherwise I'm very much sceptical about both pictures - esp. the coloured one - as there's only a "STAR" on the wing on not the typical PLAAF-symbol and the front part looks very MiG-29-like ! Looks like a "might-look-like" made by the TV.

Deino

Re: Future PLAN Carrier Borne Aircraft

Deino said:

Hmmm just noticed this tread right now .... very interesting, esp. if the main-gear is actually finished as discussed in other threads (see: carrier tread at CDF).

But I want to ask one other point: Is this type the J-13 mentioned in the powerplant/engines-diagram which is said to be powered by a WS-10G with 155 kN ???

If yes that fighter would be regarded as a heavy fighter and not in the class of the Super-Hornet !

Otherwise I'm very much sceptical about both pictures - esp. the coloured one - as there's only a "STAR" on the wing on not the typical PLAAF-symbol and the front part looks very MiG-29-like ! Looks like a "might-look-like" made by the TV.

Deino

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Well nobody really knows the validity of the engine chart, but two such engines in a twin engined aircraft were used, it would certainly could end up very heavy, but there are also rumours of using the less powerful WS-10A engine as well, but that is geenrally more associated with a J-11 based design. As for the the images, well frankly we don't really know what context that CCTV7 image was, why was it on CCTV? The iamge is also very blurry, I can't even make out any intakes.

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It's quite obvious the two aircrafts are of different designs. So, it may be possible that they worked on two different designs for the proposed new carrier based aircraft and may already have decided on the winner, possibly the one with the semi stealth feature. (i.e. similar to the model aircraft)

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Quickie said:

It's quite obvious the two aircrafts are of different designs. So, it may be possible that they worked on two different designs for the proposed new carrier based aircraft and may already have decided on the winner, possibly the one with the semi stealth feature. (i.e. similar to the model aircraft)

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I don't think anybody is disputeing that there are at least two designs floating around or something. Although I think this is only preliminary designs they're going through and will only produce one aircraft when this is complete rather than two or more. The PLANAF and PLAAF has been trying to cut back on the amount of redundancy, especially inthe myriad of different aircraft that they use. Like you said though, a finalised design could have already been chosen given the dramatic timeline Huitong gave (2-4 years for the first test flight). Seeing as how the number of discussions on a navalised J-11 are shrinking while the number of a newly designed carreirborn fighter are increasing, the latter may be a better option.

Re: Future PLAN Carrier Borne Aircraft

those images on CCTV7 are references in a interview referring to other nations concept designs of possible 4th generation designs (5th in Western language). And how China next 4th generation fighter will play a role in the PLAAF in countering future threats. Mostly the threat is considered the F-22, but also some mention of the Russian-Indian fighters is another candidate.