PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing
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Semi-Lobster
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It could just be the blurryness of the picture, but those wings look VERY different from the Su-27/J-11, to me it looks like some sort of trapezoidal wing configuration like the F-104 star fighter (although much longer)
It could just be the blurryness of the picture, but those wings look VERY different from the Su-27/J-11, to me it looks like some sort of trapezoidal wing configuration like the F-104 star fighter (although much longer)
AssassinsMace
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The drawing is probably old. Who knows about the the image from CCTV but has significant changes. Maybe someone who happened to see the program can say. The wings are different from the drawing but more similar to the image on the cockpit display. Don't recall Chinese military aircraft having wings that look like that. Again it could be the angle in the CCTV image.
The drawing is probably old. Who knows about the the image from CCTV but has significant changes. Maybe someone who happened to see the program can say. The wings are different from the drawing but more similar to the image on the cockpit display. Don't recall Chinese military aircraft having wings that look like that. Again it could be the angle in the CCTV image.
Semi-Lobster
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It can't just be the angle, I can't possibly think of an angle that would make the Su-27's delta wings look like that. Maybe somebody can ask huitong why the diagram picture of the J-13 looks so different from the CCTV7 picture?
It can't just be the angle, I can't possibly think of an angle that would make the Su-27's delta wings look like that. Maybe somebody can ask huitong why the diagram picture of the J-13 looks so different from the CCTV7 picture?
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
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Well Huitong supposedly has a good reputation in these matters.
I've seen that CCTV image floating around too about the same time of the drawing. So it seems it might be something was broadcasted on CCTV recently. Interesting to hear from someone who might have watched the program.
Well Huitong supposedly has a good reputation in these matters.
I've seen that CCTV image floating around too about the same time of the drawing. So it seems it might be something was broadcasted on CCTV recently. Interesting to hear from someone who might have watched the program.
Londo Molari
Junior Member
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looks very different to me. The wings, stabilizers, engines, everything
Semi-Lobster
Junior Member
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What sort of performance differences would large trapezoidal wing configuration create compared to the J-11's normal delta wing configuration?
What sort of performance differences would large trapezoidal wing configuration create compared to the J-11's normal delta wing configuration?
Semi-Lobster
Junior Member
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The article huitong wrote said that there seems to still be speculation going on, while many originally thought it was going to be a navalised J-11B, it seems that the latest indictions are that it will be a new design. This goes, I guess, to explain the discrepancies between the images posted of the 'J-13'. That of the Su-27-like drawing, and the CG trapezoidal winged aircraft from CCTV7. Most interestign though is that huitong states that the first prototype flight will be in 2-4 years which means there needs to be an operational aircraft carrier to go with it obviously. Seeing as how China only very recently made inkilings of building an indigenous carrier. That only leaves the Varyag. So if huitong's information is correct (which although not 100%, generally is), the Varyag itself will be seaworthy in 2-4 years (which is probably what everybody was guessing already, but at least the stoires line up). My question though is continued speculation on the Su-33, there are rumours that the PLANAF is negotiating for them, some others say that they have even already aquired some etc. etc. by question is if the PLNAF intends to operate several different kinds of naval aircraft at once? I thought the general move in the PLA was to streamline this sort of things and reduce the amount of different, redundant aircraft in service (which is why AVIC was remerged)?
The article huitong wrote said that there seems to still be speculation going on, while many originally thought it was going to be a navalised J-11B, it seems that the latest indictions are that it will be a new design. This goes, I guess, to explain the discrepancies between the images posted of the 'J-13'. That of the Su-27-like drawing, and the CG trapezoidal winged aircraft from CCTV7. Most interestign though is that huitong states that the first prototype flight will be in 2-4 years which means there needs to be an operational aircraft carrier to go with it obviously. Seeing as how China only very recently made inkilings of building an indigenous carrier. That only leaves the Varyag. So if huitong's information is correct (which although not 100%, generally is), the Varyag itself will be seaworthy in 2-4 years (which is probably what everybody was guessing already, but at least the stoires line up). My question though is continued speculation on the Su-33, there are rumours that the PLANAF is negotiating for them, some others say that they have even already aquired some etc. etc. by question is if the PLNAF intends to operate several different kinds of naval aircraft at once? I thought the general move in the PLA was to streamline this sort of things and reduce the amount of different, redundant aircraft in service (which is why AVIC was remerged)?
Londo Molari
Junior Member
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It would allow takeoff with heavier load, and better handling at low speeds, ideal for carrier operations. But it would pose higher resistance at high speeds, so its top speed would be lower than normal J-11.
Semi-Lobster
Junior Member
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Although the 'general' speculation is the use of the WS-10A, theres still that list from the WS10A thread that mentions the 155 Kn 'WS10G' engine, and besides, the J-11 is capable of Mach 2.35, going lower from that would still be a very fast aircraft. Of course this is all speculating on speculation, if this Shenyang J-13 is the real deal, the only way we will know more about its airframe is by getting more pictures and thats the sort ofthing that could take many months to be able to have enough to know for sure.
Although the 'general' speculation is the use of the WS-10A, theres still that list from the WS10A thread that mentions the 155 Kn 'WS10G' engine, and besides, the J-11 is capable of Mach 2.35, going lower from that would still be a very fast aircraft. Of course this is all speculating on speculation, if this Shenyang J-13 is the real deal, the only way we will know more about its airframe is by getting more pictures and thats the sort ofthing that could take many months to be able to have enough to know for sure.