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PrOeLiTeZ

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Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

gerboisebleue said:
For the future Chinese aircraft carriers
I do not believe that chinese were able to create a advanced designs (catamaran, trimaran hull) at the beginning!

Why?
1) because China currently do not have a operationnel aircraft carrier (experience is decisive)
2) a advanced ships is very very expensive to develop !
3) Chinese engineers lack experience in aircraft carriers design (even't if melbourne, kiev and varyag design were extensively studied)

I think that the first Chinese aircraft carrier look like the former varyag, but with Chinese equipment (weapons, sensor), an island with more stealthy design, and a conventional propulsion

= probably in 50000/65000 tons range
it should appear towards 2013/2017 ?

by against, I think that the next aircraft carrier had followed were probably different. But I do not believe that chinese develop super aircraft carrier similar that US 80000/100000 tons ships.

But a smaller and more flexible designs (20000/45000 tons range), with a possible different hull (trimaran, catamaran ?)...............2018/2025 ?
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well from all the former and current carriers no navy has felt necessary to have more then 3 in their inventory nor build it to exceed 80,000tonnes. China's naval build up and military in general doesnt require it to follow the technology footsteps and doctrines of the United States to convert itself into a modern military nation.

The biggest carrier for China's needs is at most simular to that of Varyg and maybe smaller. Superior technology nation doesnt need to go unit for unit. At most China needs at around 6 carriers. As it has more unstable bordered nations that still needs to be resolved. Unlike Europe where 2 carriers are deemed fit. Remember China as a bigger terroritory to protect, and more countries bordering them that are enemy allies.
 
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PrOeLiTeZ

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Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

gerboisebleue said:
For the future Chinese aircraft carriers
I do not believe that chinese were able to create a advanced designs (catamaran, trimaran hull) at the beginning!

Why?
1) because China currently do not have a operationnel aircraft carrier (experience is decisive)
2) a advanced ships is very very expensive to develop !
3) Chinese engineers lack experience in aircraft carriers design (even't if melbourne, kiev and varyag design were extensively studied)

I think that the first Chinese aircraft carrier look like the former varyag, but with Chinese equipment (weapons, sensor), an island with more stealthy design, and a conventional propulsion

= probably in 50000/65000 tons range
it should appear towards 2013/2017 ?

by against, I think that the next aircraft carrier had followed were probably different. But I do not believe that chinese develop super aircraft carrier similar that US 80000/100000 tons ships.

But a smaller and more flexible designs (20000/45000 tons range), with a possible different hull (trimaran, catamaran ?)...............2018/2025 ?
Click to expand...
well from all the former and current carriers no navy has felt necessary to have more then 3 in their inventory nor build it to exceed 80,000tonnes. China's naval build up and military in general doesnt require it to follow the technology footsteps and doctrines of the United States to convert itself into a modern military nation.

The biggest carrier for China's needs is at most simular to that of Varyg and maybe smaller. Superior technology nation doesnt need to go unit for unit. At most China needs at around 6 carriers. As it has more unstable bordered nations that still needs to be resolved. Unlike Europe where 2 carriers are deemed fit. Remember China as a bigger terroritory to protect, and more countries bordering them that are enemy allies.
 
PrOeLiTeZ

PrOeLiTeZ

Junior Member
Registered Member
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

gerboisebleue said:
For the future Chinese aircraft carriers
I do not believe that chinese were able to create a advanced designs (catamaran, trimaran hull) at the beginning!

Why?
1) because China currently do not have a operationnel aircraft carrier (experience is decisive)
2) a advanced ships is very very expensive to develop !
3) Chinese engineers lack experience in aircraft carriers design (even't if melbourne, kiev and varyag design were extensively studied)

I think that the first Chinese aircraft carrier look like the former varyag, but with Chinese equipment (weapons, sensor), an island with more stealthy design, and a conventional propulsion

= probably in 50000/65000 tons range
it should appear towards 2013/2017 ?

by against, I think that the next aircraft carrier had followed were probably different. But I do not believe that chinese develop super aircraft carrier similar that US 80000/100000 tons ships.

But a smaller and more flexible designs (20000/45000 tons range), with a possible different hull (trimaran, catamaran ?)...............2018/2025 ?
Click to expand...
well from all the former and current carriers no navy has felt necessary to have more then 3 in their inventory nor build it to exceed 80,000tonnes. China's naval build up and military in general doesnt require it to follow the technology footsteps and doctrines of the United States to convert itself into a modern military nation.

The biggest carrier for China's needs is at most simular to that of Varyg and maybe smaller. Superior technology nation doesnt need to go unit for unit. At most China needs at around 6 carriers. As it has more unstable bordered nations that still needs to be resolved. Unlike Europe where 2 carriers are deemed fit. Remember China as a bigger terroritory to protect, and more countries bordering them that are enemy allies.
 
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Sczepan

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Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

If you look around, you will found different types of carriers all over the world.
There are the "big sticks", like US CVN Carriers (up to 90 000 ts and more)
and also smaller ones like the US LH (Tarawa for example), with arround 40 000 ts or smaller, like italy (Cavour: 27 000 ts, Giuseppe Garbaldi: 13 000 ts), Spain (Principe de Asturias, 17 000 ts), Thailand (Chakri Naruebet, 12 000 ts) and so on ... which are for amphibious and escort operations.

I prefer the smaller design for the first indegenious chinese carrier.
1. To minimize the risk (crawl, walk, run - one undesirable trend would be very expansiv by big sticks)
2. Small amphibious carriers are a "must", more than needed - more needed as the big sticks
3. In politcal relations this small carriers ar not seen as "threat" to chinese neighbours (indeed, they are, but optical ...)
4. China studied the Melbourne, a small carrier including catapult - which is a proofed design;

So I think the first indegenious chinese carrier will be a modern "Melbourne like" derivat, including angled deck and catapult to support amphibious operations and to escort chinese trading ships
 
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Sczepan

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VIP Professional
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

If you look around, you will found different types of carriers all over the world.
There are the "big sticks", like US CVN Carriers (up to 90 000 ts and more)
and also smaller ones like the US LH (Tarawa for example), with arround 40 000 ts or smaller, like italy (Cavour: 27 000 ts, Giuseppe Garbaldi: 13 000 ts), Spain (Principe de Asturias, 17 000 ts), Thailand (Chakri Naruebet, 12 000 ts) and so on ... which are for amphibious and escort operations.

I prefer the smaller design for the first indegenious chinese carrier.
1. To minimize the risk (crawl, walk, run - one undesirable trend would be very expansiv by big sticks)
2. Small amphibious carriers are a "must", more than needed - more needed as the big sticks
3. In politcal relations this small carriers ar not seen as "threat" to chinese neighbours (indeed, they are, but optical ...)
4. China studied the Melbourne, a small carrier including catapult - which is a proofed design;

So I think the first indegenious chinese carrier will be a modern "Melbourne like" derivat, including angled deck and catapult to support amphibious operations and to escort chinese trading ships
 
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