PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Obi Wan Russell

Jedi Master
VIP Professional
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Whilst I certainly agree that it is easier to start with a 'blank page' in carrier design, the Chinese will gain immense experience in carrier design and construction from refitting Varyag, she is where their engineers will learn the practicalities of getting such a large warship ready for service. Better they do it on her than learn the hard way with their firat purpose built design. Similarly, the Russians are doing the same thing with the Vikramaditya, using her refit as a training program for the shipyard workers to prepare them for the future Russian Carrier program (remember all previous Russian carriers were built in the Ukraine, so Russia has lost all that experience). In this respect Varyag already is a training carrier, ie she is training engineers in the dos and don'ts of carrier construction. There will be plenty for them to do below decks away from prying eyes for the next year or two whilst attention is elsewhere.
 

Obi Wan Russell

Jedi Master
VIP Professional
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Whilst I certainly agree that it is easier to start with a 'blank page' in carrier design, the Chinese will gain immense experience in carrier design and construction from refitting Varyag, she is where their engineers will learn the practicalities of getting such a large warship ready for service. Better they do it on her than learn the hard way with their firat purpose built design. Similarly, the Russians are doing the same thing with the Vikramaditya, using her refit as a training program for the shipyard workers to prepare them for the future Russian Carrier program (remember all previous Russian carriers were built in the Ukraine, so Russia has lost all that experience). In this respect Varyag already is a training carrier, ie she is training engineers in the dos and don'ts of carrier construction. There will be plenty for them to do below decks away from prying eyes for the next year or two whilst attention is elsewhere.
 

Obi Wan Russell

Jedi Master
VIP Professional
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Whilst I certainly agree that it is easier to start with a 'blank page' in carrier design, the Chinese will gain immense experience in carrier design and construction from refitting Varyag, she is where their engineers will learn the practicalities of getting such a large warship ready for service. Better they do it on her than learn the hard way with their firat purpose built design. Similarly, the Russians are doing the same thing with the Vikramaditya, using her refit as a training program for the shipyard workers to prepare them for the future Russian Carrier program (remember all previous Russian carriers were built in the Ukraine, so Russia has lost all that experience). In this respect Varyag already is a training carrier, ie she is training engineers in the dos and don'ts of carrier construction. There will be plenty for them to do below decks away from prying eyes for the next year or two whilst attention is elsewhere.
 

Totoro

Major
VIP Professional
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Planeman, it seems all that size and storage space in your idea couldn't be put to full use. Huge deck, vast hangar, etc - all in a 50.000 ton carrier. Just how much bfuel, ordenance and other cargo could such a vessel varry? I would think its range would be rather small short... Anyway, how did you get to 50.000 ton displacement and 9 m draft figures?
 

Totoro

Major
VIP Professional
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Planeman, it seems all that size and storage space in your idea couldn't be put to full use. Huge deck, vast hangar, etc - all in a 50.000 ton carrier. Just how much bfuel, ordenance and other cargo could such a vessel varry? I would think its range would be rather small short... Anyway, how did you get to 50.000 ton displacement and 9 m draft figures?
 

Totoro

Major
VIP Professional
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Planeman, it seems all that size and storage space in your idea couldn't be put to full use. Huge deck, vast hangar, etc - all in a 50.000 ton carrier. Just how much bfuel, ordenance and other cargo could such a vessel varry? I would think its range would be rather small short... Anyway, how did you get to 50.000 ton displacement and 9 m draft figures?
 

Scratch

Captain
Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

more doodling. And some calcs.
The hanger is probably a fair bit larger than Nimitz too.
I also wonder were you save 50.000t when the ship is lager then the nimitz ??

Are there cats, there should be right?

BTW, I think Rafale looks very good compared to all other carrier fighters when considering footprint vs capability.

Agree with that, I really like the Rafale M for what it brings to the carrier.

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