PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

tphuang said:

let's put it this way, we haven't seen any picture of any new ships this year. It's almost like they stopped construction just to minimize the China fear ahead of the Olympics. I haven't had any material to post on my blog for a long time now.

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I'm inclined to think that the high cost of hosting the Olympics had to come from somewhere... military procurement maybe?

I think last estimate was $42 billion dollars?

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Roger, in your opinion do you think the Varyag will ever be operational?? In any mode..either training or operational? If so what will become of the Varyag??

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Roger, in your opinion do you think the Varyag will ever be operational?? In any mode..either training or operational? If so what will become of the Varyag??

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Roger, in your opinion do you think the Varyag will ever be operational?? In any mode..either training or operational? If so what will become of the Varyag??

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

OK since Im not as experienced and well knowledged as some of the veterans in this forum, I wont make and presumptions or assumptions. From the Chinese military discussions forum that Ive been discussing to with mainland China. The Varyag has seem to be halted in its refurbish phase. It is indeed haltered in exterior refurbishment but it doesn't neccessarly mean that the Varyag has stopped all together.

It may seem this from public view but, alot of personals have been seen going onto the dock but aren't visible anyway on the surface of the Varyag. Possible reasons??? Many have thought and are highly pointing the likelyhood of high activity within the Varyag. The re-wiring of the system, engines, electronics, lights, pipes, mechanism, etc...all internal areas. While it seems that Varyag has stopped refurbish stage for the Olympics to avoid possibly political outcries, they moved their reburishment to the interior.

These are opinions or thoughts of me and other mainland Chinese military posters.

In my view it'll be easier to start from the ground up, then to repair a ship of that size. Repairing the ship they got to examine it, inspect how the ship is laid out, materials, problemed areas, methods of repairing, repairing. All this consumes a lot of time......Just a thought from me ^.^

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

OK since Im not as experienced and well knowledged as some of the veterans in this forum, I wont make and presumptions or assumptions. From the Chinese military discussions forum that Ive been discussing to with mainland China. The Varyag has seem to be halted in its refurbish phase. It is indeed haltered in exterior refurbishment but it doesn't neccessarly mean that the Varyag has stopped all together.

It may seem this from public view but, alot of personals have been seen going onto the dock but aren't visible anyway on the surface of the Varyag. Possible reasons??? Many have thought and are highly pointing the likelyhood of high activity within the Varyag. The re-wiring of the system, engines, electronics, lights, pipes, mechanism, etc...all internal areas. While it seems that Varyag has stopped refurbish stage for the Olympics to avoid possibly political outcries, they moved their reburishment to the interior.

These are opinions or thoughts of me and other mainland Chinese military posters.

In my view it'll be easier to start from the ground up, then to repair a ship of that size. Repairing the ship they got to examine it, inspect how the ship is laid out, materials, problemed areas, methods of repairing, repairing. All this consumes a lot of time......Just a thought from me ^.^

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

OK since Im not as experienced and well knowledged as some of the veterans in this forum, I wont make and presumptions or assumptions. From the Chinese military discussions forum that Ive been discussing to with mainland China. The Varyag has seem to be halted in its refurbish phase. It is indeed haltered in exterior refurbishment but it doesn't neccessarly mean that the Varyag has stopped all together.

It may seem this from public view but, alot of personals have been seen going onto the dock but aren't visible anyway on the surface of the Varyag. Possible reasons??? Many have thought and are highly pointing the likelyhood of high activity within the Varyag. The re-wiring of the system, engines, electronics, lights, pipes, mechanism, etc...all internal areas. While it seems that Varyag has stopped refurbish stage for the Olympics to avoid possibly political outcries, they moved their reburishment to the interior.

These are opinions or thoughts of me and other mainland Chinese military posters.

In my view it'll be easier to start from the ground up, then to repair a ship of that size. Repairing the ship they got to examine it, inspect how the ship is laid out, materials, problemed areas, methods of repairing, repairing. All this consumes a lot of time......Just a thought from me ^.^

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

more doodling. And some calcs.


At 360m long and 100m wide this would have substantially more deck space than a Nimitz (340m long by 78m wide).

Yet it'd displace only about 50,000 metric ton. The pink box in the top pic, if it had an average depth of 8m (suggesting 9m draught compared to 12m on Nimitz) would displace 43,000t of sea water (1025kg p/m3 if anyone cares).

The hanger is probably a fair bit larger than Nimitz too.

The problem is that the Su-33 has a pretty big footprint even with the wings folded. I think a new fighter aircraft is in order.

BTW, I think Rafale looks very good compared to all other carrier fighters when considering footprint vs capability.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

more doodling. And some calcs.


At 360m long and 100m wide this would have substantially more deck space than a Nimitz (340m long by 78m wide).

Yet it'd displace only about 50,000 metric ton. The pink box in the top pic, if it had an average depth of 8m (suggesting 9m draught compared to 12m on Nimitz) would displace 43,000t of sea water (1025kg p/m3 if anyone cares).

The hanger is probably a fair bit larger than Nimitz too.

The problem is that the Su-33 has a pretty big footprint even with the wings folded. I think a new fighter aircraft is in order.

BTW, I think Rafale looks very good compared to all other carrier fighters when considering footprint vs capability.

Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

more doodling. And some calcs.


At 360m long and 100m wide this would have substantially more deck space than a Nimitz (340m long by 78m wide).

Yet it'd displace only about 50,000 metric ton. The pink box in the top pic, if it had an average depth of 8m (suggesting 9m draught compared to 12m on Nimitz) would displace 43,000t of sea water (1025kg p/m3 if anyone cares).

The hanger is probably a fair bit larger than Nimitz too.

The problem is that the Su-33 has a pretty big footprint even with the wings folded. I think a new fighter aircraft is in order.

BTW, I think Rafale looks very good compared to all other carrier fighters when considering footprint vs capability.