PLAN Carrier Strike Group and Airwing

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celtic-dragon

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Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

planeman said:
Smashing stuff Scratch. You're getting ahead of the game, lol.

Here's my catch-up idea, basically an incremental enhancement of conventional thinking with a few original touches:
[qimg]http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/2103/stealthcarrier5ce2.jpg[/qimg]

Anywhere from the 50,000t upwards, nuclear powered and using ski-jumps in order to accomodate the (soon) legacy Su-33, though hopefully with TVC.

The medium/long range SAMs (S-400 "small" is best IMO but whatever) are in VLS between the ski-jumps. There'd be Type-730s and QW-4 SAMs as well (not drawn).

The most obvious feature is the minimalised above-deck structure which houses the secondary 3-D search radar, navigation radars etc. It would also house the small deck-control bridge (no windows on starboard side to reduce RCS). The main navigation bridge is below the ski-jump (the dark band is the windows). Above/behind the bridge under the ski-jumps are the YJ-62 cruise missiles and phased-array fire control radars.

The main radars would be phased arrays which are mounted on the hull and would be similar to those on the Type-52C.

It would also have some SS-N-29 ASW missiles and some Y-7 lightweight torpedoes.
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I think that the concept is interesting, but I agree with Bd Popeye in that you would want better command and control of the flightdeck. Also, unless the ship has excellent seakeeping qualities, I think that the bridge would be rather wet where you located it...but I'm no naval authourity. I was Army aviation, :confused:
 
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celtic-dragon

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Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

planeman said:
Smashing stuff Scratch. You're getting ahead of the game, lol.

Here's my catch-up idea, basically an incremental enhancement of conventional thinking with a few original touches:
[qimg]http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/2103/stealthcarrier5ce2.jpg[/qimg]

Anywhere from the 50,000t upwards, nuclear powered and using ski-jumps in order to accomodate the (soon) legacy Su-33, though hopefully with TVC.

The medium/long range SAMs (S-400 "small" is best IMO but whatever) are in VLS between the ski-jumps. There'd be Type-730s and QW-4 SAMs as well (not drawn).

The most obvious feature is the minimalised above-deck structure which houses the secondary 3-D search radar, navigation radars etc. It would also house the small deck-control bridge (no windows on starboard side to reduce RCS). The main navigation bridge is below the ski-jump (the dark band is the windows). Above/behind the bridge under the ski-jumps are the YJ-62 cruise missiles and phased-array fire control radars.

The main radars would be phased arrays which are mounted on the hull and would be similar to those on the Type-52C.

It would also have some SS-N-29 ASW missiles and some Y-7 lightweight torpedoes.
Click to expand...
I think that the concept is interesting, but I agree with Bd Popeye in that you would want better command and control of the flightdeck. Also, unless the ship has excellent seakeeping qualities, I think that the bridge would be rather wet where you located it...but I'm no naval authourity. I was Army aviation, :confused:
 
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celtic-dragon

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Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

planeman said:
Smashing stuff Scratch. You're getting ahead of the game, lol.

Here's my catch-up idea, basically an incremental enhancement of conventional thinking with a few original touches:
[qimg]http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/2103/stealthcarrier5ce2.jpg[/qimg]

Anywhere from the 50,000t upwards, nuclear powered and using ski-jumps in order to accomodate the (soon) legacy Su-33, though hopefully with TVC.

The medium/long range SAMs (S-400 "small" is best IMO but whatever) are in VLS between the ski-jumps. There'd be Type-730s and QW-4 SAMs as well (not drawn).

The most obvious feature is the minimalised above-deck structure which houses the secondary 3-D search radar, navigation radars etc. It would also house the small deck-control bridge (no windows on starboard side to reduce RCS). The main navigation bridge is below the ski-jump (the dark band is the windows). Above/behind the bridge under the ski-jumps are the YJ-62 cruise missiles and phased-array fire control radars.

The main radars would be phased arrays which are mounted on the hull and would be similar to those on the Type-52C.

It would also have some SS-N-29 ASW missiles and some Y-7 lightweight torpedoes.
Click to expand...
I think that the concept is interesting, but I agree with Bd Popeye in that you would want better command and control of the flightdeck. Also, unless the ship has excellent seakeeping qualities, I think that the bridge would be rather wet where you located it...but I'm no naval authourity. I was Army aviation, :confused:
 
bd popeye

bd popeye

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Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Also, unless the ship has excellent seakeeping qualities, I think that the bridge would be rather wet where you located it...but I'm no naval authourity.
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On a super carrier the waves seldom reach that high..on a regular basis. But when I was on the USS Hancock and modified Essex class CV the waves freuently reached the level where the bridge is depicted.
 
bd popeye

bd popeye

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Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Also, unless the ship has excellent seakeeping qualities, I think that the bridge would be rather wet where you located it...but I'm no naval authourity.
Click to expand...

On a super carrier the waves seldom reach that high..on a regular basis. But when I was on the USS Hancock and modified Essex class CV the waves freuently reached the level where the bridge is depicted.
 
bd popeye

bd popeye

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Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

Also, unless the ship has excellent seakeeping qualities, I think that the bridge would be rather wet where you located it...but I'm no naval authourity.
Click to expand...

On a super carrier the waves seldom reach that high..on a regular basis. But when I was on the USS Hancock and modified Essex class CV the waves freuently reached the level where the bridge is depicted.
 
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celtic-dragon

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Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

bd popeye said:
On a super carrier the waves seldom reach that high..on a regular basis. But when I was on the USS Hancock and modified Essex class CV the waves freuently reached the level where the bridge is depicted.
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I had to go back and review my literature on carriers. The size and displacement shown on the model was that of a fleet carrier (like the Essex) rather then a super carrier such as the Stennis. Beats me. I turned wrenches on helicopters and pretended to be a door-gunner, ;)
 
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celtic-dragon

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Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

bd popeye said:
On a super carrier the waves seldom reach that high..on a regular basis. But when I was on the USS Hancock and modified Essex class CV the waves freuently reached the level where the bridge is depicted.
Click to expand...
I had to go back and review my literature on carriers. The size and displacement shown on the model was that of a fleet carrier (like the Essex) rather then a super carrier such as the Stennis. Beats me. I turned wrenches on helicopters and pretended to be a door-gunner, ;)
 
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celtic-dragon

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Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

bd popeye said:
On a super carrier the waves seldom reach that high..on a regular basis. But when I was on the USS Hancock and modified Essex class CV the waves freuently reached the level where the bridge is depicted.
Click to expand...
I had to go back and review my literature on carriers. The size and displacement shown on the model was that of a fleet carrier (like the Essex) rather then a super carrier such as the Stennis. Beats me. I turned wrenches on helicopters and pretended to be a door-gunner, ;)
 
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F40Racer

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Re: Ideal chinese carrier thread

I'm curious about the flight deck configurations of future Chinese carriers. If PLAN choose build indiginous large carriers with more than 60,000 tons of displacement, I wonder if it will have a ski jump ramp like the Varyag or will it have steam catapults like the US carriers.
 
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