PLAN Carrier Construction

AssassinsMace

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From my non expert observation, seeing cutaways of LHDs and carriers and others, from the first pic that came out with the bow still missing, I thought that was pretty far up the ship for a hangar. Maybe it's not a hangar for aircraft. If it's not a carrier, maybe it's for armored vehicles to load onto LCACs.
 
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SinoSoldier said:
Whoa! I've been gone for a week and now there's a LHD-type object and possibly a carrier under construction.

The real question here is: is
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If not, then it is reasonable to conclude that a LHD might be under construction at Jiangnan, which is the suspected shipyard of the LHD, and the carrier-type object might represent an ongoing project at Dalian, the suspected shipyard of the 001A or 002. However, if they are the same, then they might simply represent a scaled down conceptual mockup of an aircraft carrier since the EMALS trough does not conform with any LHD we have seen.

However, there is substantial talk on the internet that the carrier-type module shown at Dalian is actually part of a conceptual mockup, not the actual carrier, and competition between the companies has yet to start.
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I thought that "carrier module" with the alleged catapult trench was in Shanghai? (GE certainly thinks it is).
 
Blitzo

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It is in shanghai I think. And there is only one module, the aerial pic of JNCX with the supposed carrier nearly complete is an optical illusion it seems
 
SinoSoldier

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Bltizo said:
It is in shanghai I think. And there is only one module, the aerial pic of JNCX with the supposed carrier nearly complete is an optical illusion it seems
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Then it is likely a conceptual mockup that will take part in the yet-to-be-started competition between the shipyards.
 
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SinoSoldier said:
Then it is likely a conceptual mockup that will take part in the yet-to-be-started competition between the shipyards.
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Though if the module has been sitting there since March (I'm presuming that the photo was taken recently), why would the PLAN let it just sit there instead of moving it to a military facility for evaluation?
 
SinoSoldier

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Though if the module has been sitting there since March (I'm presuming that the photo was taken recently), why would the PLAN let it just sit there instead of moving it to a military facility for evaluation?
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Perhaps it is being inspected, might be still under construction, or perhaps they are testing it at its place? The thing is 1.5 times smaller than it should be in order to be a real module for such a vessel.
 
Blitzo

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It has a beam of 51+ meters. Add on the flight deck and you have yourself a decent sized carrier. That's not even factoring in the idea that the module may not be at the widest point of the hull either.

And what would be the use of a mock up which is a fraction of the size of the real thing? It's not like they could train people in it, and they have CAD to design to walk themselves through the intricate details of fabrication.
 
asif iqbal

asif iqbal

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51m that's massive!

The Queen Elizabeth is 40m at its narrowest and 70m at the widest, Mistral Class is like 30m and Wasp Class more than 30m

The numbers make perfect sense as we don't actually know which part exactly this module fits into to
 
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SinoSoldier said:
Perhaps it is being inspected, might be still under construction, or perhaps they are testing it at its place? The thing is 1.5 times smaller than it should be in order to be a real module for such a vessel.
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And if it is a module, then why add on the catapult trench?

And building a module wouldn't satisfy the PLAN that you can build a carrier. The PLAN already knows that Jiangnan can build large modules (after all, look at all the work Jiangnan has done in large civilian ships and warships, the hard part comes from connecting all those modules together, installing machinery and making sure it doesn't fall apart once it leaves the drydock).

And testing in place in a civilian yard doesn't allow you easy access to PLAN facilities and the controlled environment there in.

Speaking of modules, didn't various parts of the Queen Elizabeth get built in different yards before being assembled in Scotland?
 
asif iqbal

asif iqbal

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And if it is a module, then why add on the catapult trench?

And building a module wouldn't satisfy the PLAN that you can build a carrier. The PLAN already knows that Jiangnan can build large modules (after all, look at all the work Jiangnan has done in large civilian ships and warships, the hard part comes from connecting all those modules together, installing machinery and making sure it doesn't fall apart once it leaves the drydock).

And testing in place in a civilian yard doesn't allow you easy access to PLAN facilities and the controlled environment there in.

Speaking of modules, didn't various parts of the Queen Elizabeth get built in different yards before being assembled in Scotland?
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Yes 7 shipyards with final assembly at Rosyth

I think it was probably more difficult to refit the ex-varyag with its inherit design flaws than it probably was to build a completely new one from scratch

If they can do that then I think they can sure as hell build one from scratch
 
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