asif iqbal
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bit like the North sea cable that went from Scotland to Iceland which detected any breakout of Soviet submarines into the Atlantic during the Cold War
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Hendrik_2000
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Not sure what to believe out of this news Is the US submarine warfare secret leaking like a sieve? Hard to believe
China hacked a Navy contractor and secured a trove of highly sensitive data on submarine warfare
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Chinese government hackers have compromised the computers of a Navy contractor, stealing massive amounts of highly sensitive data related to undersea warfare — including secret plans to develop a supersonic anti-ship missile for use on U.S. submarines by 2020, according to American officials.
The breaches occurred in January and February, the officials said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. The hackers targeted a contractor who works for the Naval Undersea Warfare Center, a military organization headquartered in Newport, R.I., that conducts research and development for submarines and underwater weaponry.
The officials did not identify the contractor.
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China hacked a Navy contractor and secured a trove of highly sensitive data on submarine warfare
and June 8 at 3:04 PM Email the author
Chinese government hackers have compromised the computers of a Navy contractor, stealing massive amounts of highly sensitive data related to undersea warfare — including secret plans to develop a supersonic anti-ship missile for use on U.S. submarines by 2020, according to American officials.
The breaches occurred in January and February, the officials said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. The hackers targeted a contractor who works for the Naval Undersea Warfare Center, a military organization headquartered in Newport, R.I., that conducts research and development for submarines and underwater weaponry.
The officials did not identify the contractor.
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Equation
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Rather who is the FUBAR behind the keeping the security of US secret data's safe?
plawolf
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The data on the US supersonic AShM would be useful, but unlikely to add much to Chinese knowledge on AShMs, so would only allow China to better counter the new US missile and is unlikely to give anything that would allow China to significantly improve its own AShMs.
If true, the EW library would be the true prize, and should give the PLAN an incredibly insightful look at US and allied signals intelligence capabilities.
Depending on the nature and stage of development being done, it may also yield invaluable intel and insight on US EW and ECM, ECCM etc.
If the Chinese were incredibly lucky, that EW library may even contain US and allied warship and submarine signature data and/or IFF protocols and data. That would be a monumental prize indeed. Although since they were developing an AShM, there would not really be a need for the contractor to have US sub signatures, so that’s probably too much to hope for.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Well look like that is what they got Bingo jackpot. It is a long article click the link for complete article
What Secretive Anti-Ship Missile Did China Hack From The U.S. Navy?
China's against the Pentagon has been one of the central reasons why that country's technological warfighting capabilities have aggressively matured over a relatively short period of time. In fact, we now see the fruits of their hacking operations on a daily basis , some entering into operational service. But a previously unreported intrusion into a Navy contractor's computer network has provided the Chinese military with information on the service's electronic warfare and threat library, cryptographic radio systems used on submarines, specific sensor data, and detailed information on a previously undisclosed and fast-paced initiative to field a supersonic anti-ship missile onto American nuclear Submarines dubbed Sea Dragon.
Over half a terabyte of information was stolen electronically from the contractor's computer systems at Naval Undersea Warfare Center in Rhode Island. The installation is a focal point for development and testing of new systems related to sub-surface combat. The contractor's network was not deemed classified but the information on it in its totality was of a highly classified nature , which broke the story.
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NUWC in Newport Rhode Island.
The loss of the Navy's current electronic warfare library is especially troubling as that type of information is considered among the most sensitive data the Pentagon gathers and is critical to countering enemy defensive networks and allowing U.S. assets to survive in contested territory. This theft paired with information on sensor data that potentially collects that information is especially damning as the enemy can figure out not just what the Navy knows, but exactly how they have come to know it.
Yet the news that the Navy is rapidly looking to field a submarine-launched anti-ship missile capable of supersonic speeds is the biggest revelation from this report. Not only that but it is supposedly a weapon already in existence that is being adapted for submarine use. Quite honestly, in a vacuum, it's good news that the Navy is working on such a capability. Giving U.S. nuclear submarines long-range anti-ship capabilities that they can use while operating where no ship can is a critical ability that should be obtained, but what weapon could this be?
Little is known about the Sea Dragon program, as the Washington Post points out:
"The Sea Dragon project is an initiative of a special Pentagon office stood up in 2012 to adapt existing U.S. military technologies to new applications. The Defense Department, citing classification levels, has released little information about Sea Dragon other than to say that it will introduce a “disruptive offensive capability” by “integrating an existing weapon system with an existing Navy platform.” The Pentagon has requested or used more than $300 million for the project since late 2015 and has said it plans to start underwater testing by September....
The introduction of a supersonic anti-ship missile on U.S. Navy submarines would make it more difficult for Chinese warships to maneuver. It would also augment a suite of other anti-ship weapons that the U.S. military has been developing in recent years."
Pentagon show that Sea Dragon, which began in the 2015 fiscal year, was one of many programs that the secretive Strategic Capabilities Office has managed and is listed in a specific line item covering "Advanced Innovative Technologies." By the following fiscal cycle, this same set of funding also paid for work on land-based railguns, advanced conventional guns and ammo, advanced navigation systems, unspecified enhanced munitions and unmanned aerial vehicle payloads, and a naval drone swarm project called Sea Mob.
In the 2016 fiscal year, the Sea Dragon program completed designs for an in-water test apparatus and the ejection body and its associated hardware, as well as successfully completed a test of the weapon system on land. Unfortunately, subsequent budget requests do not list further accomplishments for the program.
We do know that the Pentagon expected to start underwater static testing of some portion of the system, as well as begin planning for a "sea-based tactical demonstration," by the end of the 2018 fiscal year, which runs through Sept. 30, but its latest budget request for the 2019 fiscal year said that the new funds would go to continued planning for that live-fire test.
asif iqbal
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this type of warfare is exactly wha China should be fighting
code breaking, intelligence gathering and eavesdropping
they are all important
code breaking, intelligence gathering and eavesdropping
they are all important
Indeed. The US, along with Israel, is the world's most aggressive nation in the use of cyber warfare for penetrating the most sensitive computer systems of its rivals and acquiring data on its rivals' industrial and technological advances. Every disruptive military and civilian advancement in the rest of the world is targeted in this way to ensure that the US can stay ahead in the technological race in every domain. So what if Ma Weiming developed a disruptive technology--all it takes is access to one computer in his research facility or one phone/laptop in his team and they will eventually get to the computers that store the designs. Did the Chinese develop the world's most sensitive MAD array? no need to spend billions developing your own, you can just get theirs from a computer in the research institute. China is still far, far behind in developing defenses against such intrusions, most of all because the core technology, from hardware to software, in all the computers is American.
This is also why the US will aggressively guard its lead in semiconductor technology and software
Same case with ELINT and code-breaking. There is no organization in the world that comes even close to the NSA and other agencies of the USA in the scale and aggressiveness of their operations in these domains. That is why the US is always ahead of every other nation in devising counter measures to its enemies' weapon systems.
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Some US general said roughly the same thing (with a proverbial wink and a smile) when an angry senator asked him during a hearing how China was getting away with stealing American technology secrets. The only problem for us is that neither the Americans nor the Chinese are telling us how badly Chinese computer systems are getting hacked by US intelligence agencies.
Hendrik_2000
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I thought most of the Chinese military and research facilities does not use Intel/ Window or any other foreign chip/operating system They use domestic chip and domestic operating system
Anyway on different plane
China's Giant Ionosphere-Zapping Radar Is a Defense System Masquerading as Science
The new facility may target U.S. submarines in the South China Sea.
By David Hambling
Jun 12, 2018
The South China Morning Post recently revealed plans for a new Chinese radar facility on the island of Hainan, China’s southernmost point. Described as a “high-powered incoherent scatter radar,” this installation will bounce radio waves off the Earth's high-altitude layer of charged gas called the ionosphere.
Although the project is in step with the county’s other mega-science projects—like planning the world’s most powerful particle accelerator, building the largest single dish radio telescope, or racing other nations to the nuclear fusion finish line—experts think the new facility is more interested in military matters than discovering the secrets of Earth’s upper atmosphere.
America’s Least Secret Weapon
The possible military benefits of an ionosphere radar isn’t lost on other countries, especially the U.S. The Navy and DARPA ran a similar facility–the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) in Gakona, Alaska—before it was passed to the University of Alaska in 2014. Although it was sold as a project focused on studying the ionosphere, these 40 acres of radar antennas figured prominently in conspiracy theories involving government-sanctioned weather control, human-made earthquake and tsunamis or just general “mental disruption throughout a region.”
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The conspiracy theories don't hold up, of course. Today the University of Alaska runs HAARP, pointing its arrays skyward for researching atmospheric plasmas, solar wind, and the behavior of particles in the ionosphere. But militaries are still intensely interested in the ionosphere because of one major tool on today’s modern battlefield: satellites.
During HAARP’s military tenure, experiments investigated possibilities of turning the ionosphere into a giant antenna for Extremely Long Frequency (ELF) radio waves. Unlike shorter radio wavelengths, ELFs travel through water and can be picked up by submarines at operating depth as deep as several hundred feet and several experiments tested this methods sub-aquatic communication abilities. The U.S. also hypothesized that ELF could detect mines or interfere with enemy satellites.
The Chinese facility will be similar to HAARP in many ways. Expected to begin construction later this year, it’ll be somewhat smaller having only “several hundred” megawatts, compared to HAARP’s 5.1 gigawatts of power. The big difference is motivation: the main purpose of the facility is apparent in its incredibly strategic location in the South China Sea.
China’s Reply
HAARP was deliberately sited in the wilds of Alaska; the nearest settlement is Gakona, population two hundred. The Chinese facility is on the densely-population island of Hainan, beside Sanya, a beach-side city bigger than Miami or Honolulu with more than four hundred thousand inhabitants.
It’s an unusual location, according to Sue Mitchell of the University of Alaska Geophysical Institute, who says HAARP’s location was so remote partly because its high-power transmissions could have big city complications. “These can interfere with commercial radio stations in the area,” Mitchell told Popular Mechanics. “Siting it near a major city could cause issues.”
There’s also the question of air traffic. HAARP’s radio beam would have serious effects on any passing plane’s electronics. Whenever the facility is in operation, a Temporary Flight Restriction closes the surrounding area to aircraft. This happens only three or four times a year, but it can last up to ten days at a time.
“Air traffic is pretty sparse around Gakona, Alaska,” says Mitchell. “That was part of the reason for it being located where it is.”
By contrast, Hainan is the middle of international air traffic lanes for flights to China, Malaysia, Vietnam, and the Philippines. Any high-powered transmission is going to cause significant disruption or risk accidents. But where its location might be a headache for airline industries, it’s military benefits are equally numerous.
As long as U.S. submarines operate in this part of the world, China has no chance of dominating it. But a system which could blank out ELF communications and selectively interfere with other satellite communications would severely affect any submarine operations in the South China Sea.
China could even use the new array as a transmitter for ELF radar to detect submarines at long range. The U.S. Navy discounted this approach in the ‘80s but the technology may be ripe for reappraisal. At least a dozen of recent scientific papers have looked at ELF radar for investigating underground features, finding natural resources, and locating pipelines. Interestingly, almost all these research papers have been from China. One paper suggests the same technique might be applied to ‘underwater target detection,’ another looks at ELFs for detection of underwater objects. Finding submarines is definitely on the agenda.
This idea isn’t as far-fetched as it seems. In order to make it work, a military would need aircraft flying nearby with a magnetic detector to pick up radar returns. China’s new Y-8Q Maritime Surveillance Aircraft can do just that—and it’s already deployed in the South China Sea.
Science Plus Military Equals Power
Journalist Stephen Chen, who broke the story about the new ionospheric radar in the South China Morning Post, told Popular Mechanics he has no doubt that the Hainan radar is primarily a military project.
While the facility may also have a scientific function, Chen says there is little talk surrounding the project in recent international academic meetings and the fact that many of its details are classified is unusual for such a “scientific” project.
“The available information strongly suggested the facility's role and function to help China strengthen its grip on the South China Sea,” says Chen, who spoke with multiple inside sources about military aspects of the project.
China already leads the world in scientific output, and now its science is joining forces with its invigorated military ambitions. Hainan’s new ionospheric radar is not an earthquake-producing, hurricane-causing superweapon that many conspiracy theorists fear, but it may be the beginning of a major powershift in the South China Sea.