PLAN ASW Capability

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
I seriously doubt anyone can target a submarine from a 1 hour flight time

Looking for a submarine is like looking for a needle in a haystack

Not going to be happen

You have to tie down a serious amount of assets to hunt a submarine

Best way to counter a hunter killer is to deploy your own hunter killer

Battle ship was once thought to be unsinkable Yet they become dodo bird overnight with the introduction of Aircraft Carrier. Technology march on There are many technology in the work right now that will make submarine obsolete

In a piece for TNI, the report’s author, Bryan Clark,
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Since the Cold War submarines, particularly quiet American ones, have been considered largely immune to adversary A2/AD capabilities. But the ability of submarines to hide through quieting alone will decrease as each successive decibel of noise reduction becomes more expensive and as new detection methods mature that rely on phenomena other than sounds emanating from a submarine. These techniques include lower frequency active sonar and non-acoustic methods that detect submarine wakes or (at short ranges) bounce laser or light-emitting diode (LED) light off a submarine hull. The physics behind most of these alternative techniques has been known for decades, but was not exploited because computer processors were too slow to run the detailed models needed to see small changes in the environment caused by a quiet submarine. Today, “big data” processing enables advanced navies to run sophisticated oceanographic models in real time to exploit these detection techniques. As they become more prevalent, they could make some coastal areas too hazardous for manned submarines.

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Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
I already posted the article on Squid sometime ago but just to remind people that this GE torpedo is planned for future deployment when the sensor will advance enough to precisely identified and tracked the target
China is working exactly on that. In this thread I document the huge build up in the ASW program with UGW, SURTASS,SQUID ,KQ200, New Sensor, Data center and fusion, Long range torpedo YU 10, And now this They are all building block for more robust ASW warfare. The day that US sub can roam SCS unfettered is coming to a close

China’s quantum submarine detector could seal South China Sea
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Tailed by a SQUID
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By David Hambling

On 21 June, the
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– a major upgrade to a kind of quantum device that measures magnetic fields. The announcement vanished after a journalist pointed out the invention’s
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: it could help China lock down the South China Sea.

“I was surprised by the removal,” says Stephen Chen of the South China Morning Post, who raised the issue. “I have been covering Chinese science for many years, and it is rare.”

Magnetometers have been used to detect submarines since the second world war. They are able to do this because they can measure an anomaly in Earth’s magnetic field – like one caused by a massive hunk of metal.

But today’s devices can only detect a submarine at fairly short range, so tend to be used to home in on the location once the sub has already been spotted on sonar.

Superconducting fix
You could widen their range if you had a magnetometer based on a superconducting quantum interference device, or SQUID. Superconducting magnetometers are exquisitely sensitive, but their promise has been limited to the lab. Out in the real world, they are quickly overwhelmed by background noise as minuscule as changes in Earth’s magnetic field caused by distant solar storms.

Given that level of sensitivity, you can forget about mounting such a sensor on an airplane, for example. The US Navy gave up work on superconducting magnetometers to pursue less sensitive but more mature technologies.

Learn more about quantum theory:
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The new magnetometer, built by Xiaoming Xie and colleagues at the
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, uses not one SQUID but an array of them. The idea is that by comparing their readings, researchers can cancel out some of the extra artefacts generated by motion. This “would be relevant to an anti-submarine warfare device”, says
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, who works on magnetic sensors.

Although the announcement concerning Xie’s work has been removed, several of the
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culminating in this breakthrough
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.

The achievement points to an airborne device that can detect submarines from several kilometres away rather than just a few hundred metres. This would be catastrophic for NATO submarines, which have been honed to run ever more quietly, using clever technology that prevents them from being heard or detected on sonar. Their magnetic signature is much harder to eliminate.

Noise problem
Could China soon have the most sensitive submarine detector in the world? No Western navies are known to have SQUID detectors.

Researchers estimate that a SQUID magnetometer of this type could detect a sub from 6 kilometres away, and Caplin says that with better noise suppression the range could be much greater.

Not everyone is convinced the Chinese magnetometer is ready for deployment. Cathy Foley at CSIRO, the Australian government research agency, says there are several difficulties with turning a SQUID into a sub-hunter – for example dealing with background magnetic noise. Nobody has yet solved all of these problems, although she says the rate of Chinese progress means they may well be first to succeed.

SQUIDs are only one of the ways that China has been upgrading its
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over the last few years. The
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, a string of submerged sensors, buoys and drone submarines, is thought to be close to completion. The project will help China extend its offshore surveillance zone.


Beijing has long wanted to change the rules of engagement in its waters. Earlier this year it
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requiring any foreign submarine to get approval before entering Chinese waters, and once there, to stay surfaced and display its national flag. “Can the Chinese make these systems work reliably while in motion in the air or underwater? We’ll be watching their progress closely,” says Foley.
 
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asif iqbal

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Battleship was never thought to be unsinkable

Battle ship only had a couple of decades

Submarine has been proved for over a century

Why do you think you have the Dreadnaught class and Ohio class both into 10s of billions in budget they are not stupid

Submarine is the ace up the sleeve of any navy
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Battleship was never thought to be unsinkable

Battle ship only had a couple of decades

Submarine has been proved for over a century

Why do you think you have the Dreadnaught class and Ohio class both into 10s of billions in budget they are not stupid
Submarine is the ace up the sleeve of any navy

They are not stupid but they are susceptible to hubris nonetheless. You are still living in old paradigm. Even the most astute Analyst recognize nothing last forever. I read those report Here what they say.
To all those skeptic look closely what this analyst proposed . Isn't that what this new flying torpedo are for?

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Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Total fan boy stuff

Wet dreaming if you think this is for real

Keep dreaming

If you can't win an argument do not resort to name calling that show who you are..Long range low frequency active sonar is reality, so do big data computing, Now who is fan boy here Flying was once a dream, going to moon is a dream, Having your own personal computer is a dream, Cell phone is a dream. On and on. Some people has dream and make it a runway success and other stuck to old paradigm and become a failure

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SamuraiBlue

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I already posted the article on Squid sometime ago but just to remind people that this GE torpedo is planned for future deployment when the sensor will advance enough to precisely identified and tracked the target
China is working exactly on that. In this thread I document the huge build up in the ASW program with UGW, SURTASS,SQUID ,KQ200, New Sensor, Data center and fusion, Long range torpedo YU 10, And now this They are all building block for more robust ASW warfare. The day that US sub can roam SCS unfettered is coming to a close

China’s quantum submarine detector could seal South China Sea
b6kdhy.jpg

Tailed by a SQUID
Snaprender/Alamy Stock Photo

By David Hambling

On 21 June, the
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– a major upgrade to a kind of quantum device that measures magnetic fields. The announcement vanished after a journalist pointed out the invention’s
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: it could help China lock down the South China Sea.

“I was surprised by the removal,” says Stephen Chen of the South China Morning Post, who raised the issue. “I have been covering Chinese science for many years, and it is rare.”

Magnetometers have been used to detect submarines since the second world war. They are able to do this because they can measure an anomaly in Earth’s magnetic field – like one caused by a massive hunk of metal.

But today’s devices can only detect a submarine at fairly short range, so tend to be used to home in on the location once the sub has already been spotted on sonar.

Superconducting fix
You could widen their range if you had a magnetometer based on a superconducting quantum interference device, or SQUID. Superconducting magnetometers are exquisitely sensitive, but their promise has been limited to the lab. Out in the real world, they are quickly overwhelmed by background noise as minuscule as changes in Earth’s magnetic field caused by distant solar storms.

Given that level of sensitivity, you can forget about mounting such a sensor on an airplane, for example. The US Navy gave up work on superconducting magnetometers to pursue less sensitive but more mature technologies.

Learn more about quantum theory:
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The new magnetometer, built by Xiaoming Xie and colleagues at the
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, uses not one SQUID but an array of them. The idea is that by comparing their readings, researchers can cancel out some of the extra artefacts generated by motion. This “would be relevant to an anti-submarine warfare device”, says
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, who works on magnetic sensors.

Although the announcement concerning Xie’s work has been removed, several of the
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culminating in this breakthrough
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.

The achievement points to an airborne device that can detect submarines from several kilometres away rather than just a few hundred metres. This would be catastrophic for NATO submarines, which have been honed to run ever more quietly, using clever technology that prevents them from being heard or detected on sonar. Their magnetic signature is much harder to eliminate.

Noise problem
Could China soon have the most sensitive submarine detector in the world? No Western navies are known to have SQUID detectors.

Researchers estimate that a SQUID magnetometer of this type could detect a sub from 6 kilometres away, and Caplin says that with better noise suppression the range could be much greater.

Not everyone is convinced the Chinese magnetometer is ready for deployment. Cathy Foley at CSIRO, the Australian government research agency, says there are several difficulties with turning a SQUID into a sub-hunter – for example dealing with background magnetic noise. Nobody has yet solved all of these problems, although she says the rate of Chinese progress means they may well be first to succeed.

SQUIDs are only one of the ways that China has been upgrading its
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over the last few years. The
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, a string of submerged sensors, buoys and drone submarines, is thought to be close to completion. The project will help China extend its offshore surveillance zone.


Beijing has long wanted to change the rules of engagement in its waters. Earlier this year it
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requiring any foreign submarine to get approval before entering Chinese waters, and once there, to stay surfaced and display its national flag. “Can the Chinese make these systems work reliably while in motion in the air or underwater? We’ll be watching their progress closely,” says Foley.

Not this again.
Basically SQUIDs are TOO sensitive to be used on the field and will provide TOO many false positives to be useful even if they could.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Not this again.
Basically SQUIDs are TOO sensitive to be used on the field and will provide TOO many false positives to be useful even if they could.

Normal problem that crop up during development that can be rectified latter. Just like search radar has to cope with sea wave cluttering during development. Anyway via broadsword
Progress in mapping sea floor

Acoustics Scientists Propose High-Precision "Searchlight" to Scan Deep Sea Clearly
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As one of the most advanced marine high-tech equipment in the world today, multibeam sounding system (MBSS) is an important means to obtain seawater depth data and seabed topography.

The full-ocean MBSS is used for the detection of high-precision seabed topography within 20 to 11000 meters of depth.

Recently, the full-ocean MBSS engineering prototype was accomplished by the research team led by LIU Xiaodong from Ocean Acoustic Technology Center of the Institute of Acoustics (IOA) of the Chinese Academy of Sciences. It is ready for acting as a high-precision "searchlight" to scan deep sea clearly.

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Seabed at 6000 meters depth is uneven, told by the full-ocean MBSS. (Image by IOA)

Several years ago, only a few countries, like Norway and Germany, can produce the equipment.

In 2014, the IOA team, together with colleagues of the 863 Plan "Deep Water MBSS Development" Project, achieved a zero breakthrough in the full-ocean MBSS technology.

Now researchers developed an engineering prototype, which breaks new ground in key technologies under heavy noise condition, such as multibeam signal processing, real-time beam stabilization, underwater acoustic arrays with good consistency, and electronic system production, while improves sounding accuracy of the system at the same time.

Researchers have completed more than 6,000 kilometers of sea trials in the South China Sea, the Northwest Pacific and the Indian Ocean, proving that the full-ocean MBSS engineering prototype is reliable for practical application of seabed mapping and scientific research.
 

SamuraiBlue

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Normal problem that crop up during development that can be rectified latter. Just like search radar has to cope with sea wave cluttering during development. Anyway via broadsword
Progress in mapping sea floor

Acoustics Scientists Propose High-Precision "Searchlight" to Scan Deep Sea Clearly
Share

Jul 16, 2018 Email"> PrintText Size

As one of the most advanced marine high-tech equipment in the world today, multibeam sounding system (MBSS) is an important means to obtain seawater depth data and seabed topography.

The full-ocean MBSS is used for the detection of high-precision seabed topography within 20 to 11000 meters of depth.

Recently, the full-ocean MBSS engineering prototype was accomplished by the research team led by LIU Xiaodong from Ocean Acoustic Technology Center of the Institute of Acoustics (IOA) of the Chinese Academy of Sciences. It is ready for acting as a high-precision "searchlight" to scan deep sea clearly.

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Seabed at 6000 meters depth is uneven, told by the full-ocean MBSS. (Image by IOA)

Several years ago, only a few countries, like Norway and Germany, can produce the equipment.

In 2014, the IOA team, together with colleagues of the 863 Plan "Deep Water MBSS Development" Project, achieved a zero breakthrough in the full-ocean MBSS technology.

Now researchers developed an engineering prototype, which breaks new ground in key technologies under heavy noise condition, such as multibeam signal processing, real-time beam stabilization, underwater acoustic arrays with good consistency, and electronic system production, while improves sounding accuracy of the system at the same time.

Researchers have completed more than 6,000 kilometers of sea trials in the South China Sea, the Northwest Pacific and the Indian Ocean, proving that the full-ocean MBSS engineering prototype is reliable for practical application of seabed mapping and scientific research.

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