PLAN Anti-ship/surface missiles

SanWenYu

Captain
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A hypothetical air launched ULRAAM that is equipped with a scramjet engine would be far more useful than applying the CJ-1000 in a SAM role.

The CJ-1000's primary role would be anti-surface. SAMs and surface to surface missiles have very little overlap in booster, warhead and guidance (and any other internals) optimisation. If you dont have an issue with the speed, control and guidance of a HCM to hit a large and slow but still moving target in the air, then you can make a missile that is more optimised in the anti-air role. You wouldn't make it out of a anti-surface missile.

Unless there is another variant of the CJ-1000 family, a HQ-1000 applying the same technologies but optimised for anti-air, the CJ-1000 should be considered a surface to surface missile only. If you had all that tech, just make a H-6 or J-16 and in future, J-36 and H-20 launchable ULRAAM that applies scramjet. If there is a hypersonic ultra long range anti-air missile whether it is in SAM or AAM form (or both), it would not be the CJ-1000. It'll simply apply similar tech. So why we continue thinking of the CJ-1000 as this/these hypothetical missiles is strange. A DF-26 with MaRV can potentially be used to hit a AEWC aircraft too. We shouldn't consider a DF-26 a SAM if a MaRV SAM is a workable concept.

I've no doubt at all that PLA is interested in fielding a hypersonic, air breathing AAM and SAM. We should just call it as such since the fundamental tech required for this is all there. If they add a booster large enough, these missiles could have 2000km+ range.
The American SM-6 was designed primarily for air defence but nobody cried when it was known to be able to hit surface targets. Has anyone demanded that the USN should only use SM-6 on targets in air?
 
Easy. There are cases multi-purpose items can save costs. A different development project requires separate engineering; and the establishment of new manufacturing lines, new training programs, new base infrastructure for maintenance etc... There are also operational flexibility benefits in having a unit capable of different tasks.
Would it be more efficient to at least have two different types of seekers/warheads?
 

doggydogdo

Junior Member
Registered Member
Don’t see why not. It’s not like your combat aircraft has to close the whole distance when it can equip its own long range missiles.
CJ1000’s main role is probably just ground attack but if it senses an aerial target that it can hit it switches to that because aerial targets are worth a lot more than the ground targets and CJ1000 itself
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
CJ1000’s main role is probably just ground attack but if it senses an aerial target that it can hit it switches to that because aerial targets are worth a lot more than the ground targets and CJ1000 itself
Ultimately this is a question about mission tasking. I suppose there are scenarios where it might make sense to task a CJ-1000 with a high leverage aerial kill over air based attack options but I have to imagine such scenarios are extremely limited and probably opportunistic. It’s a neat capability to have in the pocket but imo not one that’s high emphasis.
 

Wrought

Senior Member
Registered Member
The American SM-6 was designed primarily for air defence but nobody cried when it was known to be able to hit surface targets. Has anyone demanded that the USN should only use SM-6 on targets in air?

Yes, actually. Here's me from a few months ago:

 

Gloire_bb

Major
Registered Member
Yes, actually. Here's me from a few months ago:

(1)SM-6 strike use is accepted norm, moreover, it's specifically procured by other services as strike weapon only.
(2)Since WW2 it's quite well known, that (1) overly specialized ammunition is a sure way to fire something else when you actually need it(German experience), and (2) it's best to have as much most useful type as possible, any performance gains in tertiary roles aren't worth it on normal missions.
No, it isn't going to make plan work easier. Quite the opposite, overwhelming US SSG becomes significantly harder.
Would it be more efficient to at least have two different types of seekers/warheads?
If your main seeker supports this engagement, and missile can often enough get close enough for proxy fuze to do it's job - I wonder if it's really worth it. Warhead of this weights is efficient enough as it is, unless you want something very specific (like extended kill zone).
Good enough is often the best.
 
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