PLAN Anti-Piracy Deployments

rhino123

rhino123

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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Actually there is another option that I am thinking about. Don't know if anyone brought this up or not. At present moment different nations had sent their warships to the region to patrol the water, why don't these nations actually pool in and form a unit of some sort, when the merchants ships reached the area, they can actually request some armed personnels to board the ship (of course at some expenses and cost). These personnel will be armed with assault rifles, machineguns and perhaps some anti-tanks rockets.

When the ship reached the safe zone, then the armed personnel will disembark the ship and board another vessels that are going through the region or onto specialise vessels from that particular unit that was form under the cooperation of a number of countries involved in the patrolling.
 
bd popeye

bd popeye

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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

why don't these nations actually pool in and form a unit of some sort, when the merchants ships reached the area, they can actually request some armed personnels to board the ship (of course at some expenses and cost).
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This does happen. However they're not enough forces to provide protection to every ship.
 
hyalitemarine

hyalitemarine

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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Strange that this thread seems to have died out days ago, I wonder why that is?

Anyway, most of the world could not help but notice all the fanfare when China announced that they would be deploying three advanced warships to the pirate infested waters to protect Chinese shipping. As China is an important world economy, this was a required action. If China is not interested in protecting vital sea corridors for Chinese shipping, then China's very economy will be exposed to damaging risks. These risks translate to higher shipping rates to pay for extra insurance, paying higher fuel costs to avoid dangerous waters, and the continued risk of the destruction of life and property. All these financial costs will continue to mount, ultimately making Chinese commerce less competitive and reliable. One would have thought that the entire point of China's first modern naval mission would be to ensure Chinese interests.

So what happened? The Chinese navy froze, that's what. Absolutely no action was taken and the pirates were allowed to take command of the situation. Are Chinese naval captains capable of on the spot, high risk, initiative and decision making in real world situations? Apparently no. Is this due to the fact of poor training, lack of proper personality types selected for captaining, or a much too rigid and micromanaging command from the mainland?

Whatever the reason for Chinese inaction the fact remains that the Chinese Navy has been humiliated by Third World pirates of all things. I stand by the world "humiliation" due to the fact that all mention of the hijacking is not to be found on the China Daily website for the last few days since the cargo ship reached the pirate lair.

China has the money to build a world class navy. China is currently putting to sea world class navy vessels. But the inability of the Chinese task force to deal with simple pirates speaks volumes about the lack of on the spot skill needed when effective force is necessary. The size of the Chinese economy demands that its civilian components be defended. Reliable Chinese commerce is essential to an independent China. I doubt China wants to be subservient to the US Navy for protecting Chinese interests since the US Navy will of course look after US interests first.

The failure of China's first modern naval task force is an important lesson not only to the leadership in China, but it also revealed an Achilles Heel for all the world's powers to take note of.
 
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pla101prc

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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

hyalitemarine said:
Strange that this thread seems to have died out days ago, I wonder why that is?

Anyway, most of the world could not help but notice all the fanfare when China announced that they would be deploying three advanced warships to the pirate infested waters to protect Chinese shipping. As China is an important world economy, this was a required action. If China is not interested in protecting vital sea corridors for Chinese shipping, then China's very economy will be exposed to damaging risks. These risks translate to higher shipping rates to pay for extra insurance, paying higher fuel costs to avoid dangerous waters, and the continued risk of the destruction of life and property. All these financial costs will continue to mount, ultimately making Chinese commerce less competitive and reliable. One would have thought that the entire point of China's first modern naval mission would be to ensure Chinese interests.

So what happened? The Chinese navy froze, that's what. Absolutely no action was taken and the pirates were allowed to take command of the situation. Are Chinese naval captains capable of on the spot, high risk, initiative and decision making in real world situations? Apparently no. Is this due to the fact of poor training, lack of proper personality types selected for captaining, or a much too rigid and micromanaging command from the mainland?

Whatever the reason for Chinese inaction the fact remains that the Chinese Navy has been humiliated by Third World pirates of all things. I stand by the world "humiliation" due to the fact that all mention of the hijacking is not to be found on the China Daily website for the last few days since the cargo ship reached the pirate lair.

China has the money to build a world class navy. China is currently putting to sea world class navy vessels. But the inability of the Chinese task force to deal with simple pirates speaks volumes about the lack of on the spot skill needed when effective force is necessary. The size of the Chinese economy demands that its civilian components be defended. Reliable Chinese commerce is essential to an independent China. I doubt China wants to be subservient to the US Navy for protecting Chinese interests since the US Navy will of course look after US interests first.

The failure of China's first modern naval task force is an important lesson not only to the leadership in China, but it also revealed an Achilles Heel for all the world's powers to take note of.
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wow what have you been smokin lately? the Chinese fleet was thousands of miles away from the ship that was hijacked when it happened...did you expect them to teleport to the scene of incident? at least get your fact straight before humiliating yourself with such lack of professionalism
 
AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

It's probably because Beijing sees a raid probably dangerous and more damaging in the PR department because more likely some or all of the crew will be killed. I'm sure there's probably some diplomacy behind the scenes going on within Somalia since there are business dealings going on with the government.
 
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pla101prc

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Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

AssassinsMace said:
It's probably because Beijing sees a raid probably dangerous and more damaging in the PR department because more likely some or all of the crew will be killed. I'm sure there's probably some diplomacy behind the scenes going on within Somalia since there are business dealings going on with the government.
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lol more importantly the ship has already entered somali water, it would be a breach of international law if China just goes in and rescue the ppl onboard.
 
hyalitemarine

hyalitemarine

Banned Idiot
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

wow what have you been smokin lately? the Chinese fleet was thousands of miles away from the ship that was hijacked when it happened...did you expect them to teleport to the scene of incident? at least get your fact straight before humiliating yourself with such lack of professionalism
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I stand by the facts. Fact, the De Xin Hai was about 700 miles off the east coast of Somalia and 350 miles north of the Seychelles. That position means it was approximately 700 miles from the Chinese naval vessels which were in the Gulf of Aden area. That is definitely NOT "thousands" of miles away. Furthermore, since the distance the freighter had to travel to the pirate liar was a co-equal distance to the Chinese warships, one would logically assume that the modern Chinese Navy ships possessed enough speed to intercept a fully laden coal freighter before it reached shore.
 
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ravenshield936

Banned Idiot
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

Geographer said:
They could also pay the ransom, get the hostages clear, then swoop in and arrest the pirates on land or sea. France did this on land about a year ago.
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i agree
i believe ship boarding is the best, and to combine it with night operations will be the ideal choice of stealth infiltration

multiple helo passes are also the best to create distraction. once u get the assault team on board, it's one step closer.

also to pinpoint the amount of tangos onboard helps the operation much easier

if there's a way for the onboard autopilot to be hacked, they can divert the ship (or cripple the rudder) so it will travel in circles

extending the situation is also not the best because of the risks of stockholme syndrome, and time is running out, mind everyone

i believe paying a ransom is not a bad option. after the release, punishing the pirates are also fine. i also believe psychological tapping into the hostage takers may also help. either way, it's a lot of homework PRC has to do for
this time's incident

add oil china!!:china:(that means ganbate in chinese expression)
 
hyalitemarine

hyalitemarine

Banned Idiot
Re: Somali pirates and Chinese navy

lol more importantly the ship has already entered somali water, it would be a breach of international law if China just goes in and rescue the ppl onboard.
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It is NOT a violation of international law to enter Somali waters is pursuit of pirates. The U.N. Security Council voted unanimously in December 2008 to authorize nations to conduct land and air attacks on pirate bases on the coast of Somalia.
 
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