asif iqbal
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INS Vikramaditya has conducted at sea replenishment during trials I wonder of Liaoning has done anything similar
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The Indian carrier is intended (whether realistically or not) to be an operational fleet unit right away. Liaoning will be an experimental/training unit for some time. Their shake down and work up schedules would be vastly different.
A closer approximation to how Liaoning might shake down and work up could be the Kiev, during the early 1970s.
A closer approximation to how Liaoning might shake down and work up could be the Kiev, during the early 1970s.
Hendrik_2000
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GT or Hongjian just posted this picture in CDF . To me it look like PLAN is learning to do quick launch of multiple plane. .Or simultaneous landing and take off operation. But I am no expert maybe more knowledgeable member can shed some light what are they doing?
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I'd say 553 just landed, and the other two are simply pulled up there to be sure and be out of the way.
If they were practicing simultaneous take offs and landings. I would expect to see one of those other two in the starboard, forward launch position (the one to the right in this pic), and the other one lined up behind it in the red, marked off zone there, ready to pull up and launch after the other one takes off.
I think the photographer just happened to capture one of the rare moments with three prototypes on deck at the same time...
Like Jeff said, if they were doing a simultaneous launch and recovery you'd see a J-15 on front of the raised JBD as a landing J-15 is in the process of catching a wire.
Btw, doing multiple sequential aircraft launches or even simultaneous launch and recovery isn't difficult when there's only two or three planes involved, and frankly I wonder if it's even worth "training" for with such a small "complement".
It'll only become noteworthy when Liaoning starts hauling a real couple of wings of aircraft with a more cluttered flight deck, will simultaneous launch/recovery, multiple launch, etc, become more impressive and requiring of training.
I appreciate your honesty and your frank opinion, but from a very pragmatic farm boy, lets say a year ago the PLAN was just trapping their first birds, in the middle we had a 4 month hiatus for a new government to get their feet under them, honestly as an all American boy, I am impressed, they are making fine progress, and the rest will come in time, let me just say well done, they have the right ship and the right bird, and they are making "right good progress"" brat.
It appears to me the port side take off spot can't really be used at the same time as the landing strip because an aircraft spotted there for take off would intrude quite a bit into the landing strip, and would very likely be run into by any bolter.
So I think Liaoning can realistically launch from only the starboard position at the bow while receiving returning aircraft.
So I think Liaoning can realistically launch from only the starboard position at the bow while receiving returning aircraft.
The picture looks to me like multiple landing/recovery in reasonably quick succession, with the previous two aircraft moved to near the bow area and the third aircraft just finished landing and being moved.
I think, in an operative scenario where you have a wave of planes comming in to land and low on fuel, it is just standard practice to quickly move planes that have landed near the bow to clear the landing area. There is probably no time to move them down the hangar, at least not without to much interference and hazards while the landings are still taking place. Any planes that needs to be launched for a new sortie should all have been launched and cleared before the group lands. And there should be a few planes flying out around the carrier group just to keep an eye out.
I think, in an operative scenario where you have a wave of planes comming in to land and low on fuel, it is just standard practice to quickly move planes that have landed near the bow to clear the landing area. There is probably no time to move them down the hangar, at least not without to much interference and hazards while the landings are still taking place. Any planes that needs to be launched for a new sortie should all have been launched and cleared before the group lands. And there should be a few planes flying out around the carrier group just to keep an eye out.
Intrepid
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Recovery phase: normal rate is every 40 seconds one landing, same on land and at sea, beginning with a break off of the formation over the airfield or carrier.
True, but I wonder how big an issue that is.
For instance, the French de gaulle's bow catapult infringes on the landing strip as well, yet it's not often listed as a big limitation. I wonder just how practically significant being able to literally launch a plane and recover one at the same time is, given you can push one ahead of the other and delaying the overall ship's tempo by only a few seconds.
Who knows. Or maybe the two aircraft were at the bow area for hours before then.
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