PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

tidalwave said:

Prediction; 4 carriers by 2020. And nuclear powered model later on.

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You are being too optimistic and rushing these builds.

There will be four carriers in operation for the Chinese...but not by 2020.

Number 1 - Liaoning, CV-16 is already in service.
Number 2 - 001A will not launch until mid-year 2017. Commission by 1019 perhaps.
Number 3 -First CATOBAR carrier. Will not finish building until 2020 at the earliest. Commission 2022.
Number 4- 2nd CATOBAR startd building perhaps by 2018. Launch 2022. Commission 2024 earliest.

Jeff Head said:

You are being too optimistic and rushing these builds.

There will be four carriers in operation for the Chinese...but not by 2020.

Number 1 - Liaoning, CV-16 is already in service.
Number 2 - 001A will not launch until mid-year 2017. Commission by 1019 perhaps.
Number 3 -First CATOBAR carrier. Will not finish building until 2020 at the earliest. Commission 2022.
Number 4- 2nd CATOBAR startd building perhaps by 2018. Launch 2022. Commission 2024 earliest.

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Yes, this is a very impressive but still realistic schedule.

Just imagine, in just 12 years, China is able to put 4 carriers onto water, from having zero.

Shaolian said:

Yes, this is a very impressive but still realistic schedule.

Just imagine, in just 12 years, China is able to put 4 carriers onto water, from having zero.

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Well, you actually have to go back to when they started construction on the Liaoning. The commissioned it in 2012, but they worked on it from about 2006. So, more like in 18 years.

But that will still be extremely impressive.

...and I do not think they will stop at four. I fully expect them to field perhaps six carriers.

Jeff Head said:

Well, you actually have to go back to when they started construction on the Liaoning. The commissioned it in 2012, but they worked on it from about 2006. So, more like in 18 years.

But that will still be extremely impressive.

...and I do not think they will stop at four. I fully expect them to field perhaps six carriers.

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I think they might be able to put three more carriers into the water by 2022, but I doubt they could properly staffing them with not only qualified air crews, but ship and support personnel for a decade or more longer.

Blackstone said:

I think they might be able to put three more carriers into the water by 2022, but I doubt they could properly staffing them with not only qualified air crews, but ship and support personnel for a decade or more longer.

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If they dedicated two yards to building carriers...they certainly "could" do it.

They have the capability and expertise.

...but they do not have a need to field so many so quick, and they would run up against all sorts of logistical problems, including the manning of them and equipping them with enough aircraft.

The mockup.

taxiya said:

The mockup.

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Now that is looking very nice.

You can clearly see the pri-fly, and that the Island is being altered.

Will be good to see what all the Chinese innovators put on the table.

Jeff Head said:

Now that is looking very nice.

You can clearly see the pri-fly, and that the Island is being altered.

Will be good to see what all the Chinese innovators put on the table.

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One thing of the new mockup seems confirm the model in #6271, the canted façade above the two story decks.

taxiya said:

One thing of the new mockup seems confirm the model in #6271, the canted façade above the two story decks.

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The older island configuration already had the canted superstructure on the front and rear of the island.

I suspect that the modifications we're seeing now are indicative of certain features that will be on 002's island, whereas the features on 001A's island (such as the canted surfaces) were already tested in the previous modifications.

What will be interesting to me, is if 001A's island does end up having two deckhouses (one bridge and one pri fly, for example), then that would provide strong indication that the Wuhan carrier mock up's island will not always display fully representative structures on what the real thing will see.

Jeff Head said:

Now that is looking very nice.

You can clearly see the pri-fly, and that the Island is being altered.

Will be good to see what all the Chinese innovators put on the table.

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I wonder if they'll remove the Liaoning style bridge below it.

I'm still convinced that the deckhouse they're adding to the island is not meant to be a supplement to the existing island's bridge below it, but rather representative of the whole new geometry of 002's island itself.