PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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Air Force Brat

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Carrier runways became longer and longer for safety reasons. Less ramp strikes and less bolters with their high risk at low airspeed. To land a Vigilante at the short Forrestal-strip or even a Phantom on the poststamp-like deck of HMS Eagle isn't state of the art any longer.

Well they are not long by any pilots measure, and all the fixed wing aircraft operated off a cat/trap system are basically being shot out of a sling-shot, and caught in a ball glove, sudden stop, a sudden start,,,,, hard on aircraft and pilots, one of the reasons the Hornet driver launches with his hands on the rail, not the stick..... oh and I'm glad I could provide your chuckle of the day, exposing my lack of techno-jargon, I have very little interest in electronic cockpits, the gauges, a traditional attitude gyro, airspeed, altitude, turn and bank, compass and directional gyro, and simple Nav/Com usually suffice. I do think that digital instruments, flat screens etc, often lack the texture or visual cues of the traditional goodies. My point was the Sino Naval Aviators are doing a very fine job in the J-15 cockpit, and they are learning to fly the airplane, the J-15 has very outstanding manners at low airspeed, making the F-4, F-14, A-4, seem a handful by comparison, the F-18 is a very well behaved aircraft as well, not saying that the Flanker or the Hornet would be above taking you for that last ride, it is a hairy biz, for the MEN that have a set of steelies. brat

I have embraced the aging process, on Road Bike Review I am oldcannondale, or GixxerForums, I am old gixxer, on F-16.com I am airframe, but I give those forums rather short shrift, you guys take all my time, keeping you out of trouble, my real interest continues to be airframes and the basic flying manners and technics. brat end OT
 

Air Force Brat

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Well they are not long by any pilots measure, and all the fixed wing aircraft operated off a cat/trap system are basically being shot out of a sling-shot, and caught in a ball glove, sudden stop, a sudden start,,,,, hard on aircraft and pilots, one of the reasons the Hornet driver launches with his hands on the rail, not the stick..... oh and I'm glad I could provide your chuckle of the day, exposing my lack of techno-jargon, I have very little interest in electronic cockpits, the gauges, a traditional attitude gyro, airspeed, altitude, turn and bank, compass and directional gyro, and simple Nav/Com usually suffice. I do think that digital instruments, flat screens etc, often lack the texture or visual cues of the traditional goodies. My point was the Sino Naval Aviators are doing a very fine job in the J-15 cockpit, and they are learning to fly the airplane, the J-15 has very outstanding manners at low airspeed, making the F-4, F-14, A-4, seem a handful by comparison, the F-18 is a very well behaved aircraft as well, not saying that the Flanker or the Hornet would be above taking you for that last ride, it is a hairy biz, for the MEN that have a set of steelies. brat

I have embraced the aging process, on Road Bike Review I am oldcannondale, or GixxerForums, I am old gixxer, on F-16.com I am airframe, but I give those forums rather short shrift, you guys take all my time, keeping you out of trouble, my real interest continues to be airframes and the basic flying manners and technics. brat end OT

Hey guys I can't access the forum through my normal channels, S,up? brat
 

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Considering that photos of the FL-3000N/HQ-10 installed on the carrier has been around since 2011, it's really sad that publications like Jane's didn't do their homework. It's not hard to look at the photo and count the number of missiles. Another example from NY Times:

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"Up to now, Chinese pilots have been limited to practicing simulated carrier landings on concrete strips on land in Chinese J-8 aircraft based on Soviet-made MIG-23s produced about 25 years ago, Mr. You said. The pilots could not undertake the difficult maneuver of landing on a moving carrier because China does not yet have suitable aircraft, Mr. You said."
 
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Considering that photos of the FL-3000N/HQ-10 installed on the carrier has been around since 2011, it's really sad that publications like Jane's didn't do their homework. It's not hard to look at the photo and count the number of missiles. Another example from NY Times:

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"Up to now, Chinese pilots have been limited to practicing simulated carrier landings on concrete strips on land in Chinese J-8 aircraft based on Soviet-made MIG-23s produced about 25 years ago, Mr. You said. The pilots could not undertake the difficult maneuver of landing on a moving carrier because China does not yet have suitable aircraft, Mr. You said."

Those are very old quote which J-15 landing has not publicise yet. We forgive these ignorants.
 

adeptitus

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Those are very old quote which J-15 landing has not publicise yet. We forgive these ignorants.

NY Times published that article in Sept 2012. Yet, in an earlier article published in April 2011:
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"The J-15 Flying Shark is China’s newest attack jet, a sinuous fighter with the folding wings, shortened tail cone and bulked-up landing gear it needs to serve on China’s first aircraft carrier, which is expected to start sea trials soon. It is indisputable evidence of China’s growing mastery of military technology."

Photos of the J-15 prototype with tail hook was distributed in April 2011. Other publications such as Avaiation Week also published articles on it in the same month.
 
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Adm Wu Shengli: “The Chinese navy is using aircraft carrier LIAONING for training and testing ... will decide on an operational carrier only after a few years of evaluation”.

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12 September

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Adm Wu Shengli: “The Chinese navy is using aircraft carrier LIAONING for training and testing ... will decide on an operational carrier only after a few years of evaluation”.
Hmmm...that is rather deflating, eh?

I personally believe that they will still build another STOBAR that is an improved Liaoning. Based on what we saw in the Dalain shipyard with that one module, it looked like they may have already started construction...but then again, based on this quote, perhaps not.

If Dalian continues to add to and build onto that module, we will see it happening over the next few months.
 
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