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I think the Soviets never see the deck as a viable place to park aircraft during transit. The region where the Kuznetsov class was expected to operate has harsh very weather. Think of stormy weather with -30°C temperature.
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I think the Soviets never see the deck as a viable place to park aircraft during transit. The region where the Kuznetsov class was expected to operate has harsh very weather. Think of stormy weather with -30°C temperature.
Blackstone
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USN ships, submarines, and CV/Ns operate all over the globe, 24/7, 360 days a year, in all weather, political, and military conditions.
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That's nice info, but the Kuznetsov class is not a USN ship.
Intrepid
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I was sometimes surprised, how quick the aircraft were fixed to the deck. But that may depent on the weather conditions.
I was including E-2 and other larger aircraft.
kwaigonegin
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E2s and C2 grehounds would be the 'largest' aircraft a carrier typically carries but there are not many of them on board and believe it or not they are really not that big. As a matter a fact I think a super hornet is actually longer! They only look big because they don't have that streamline fighter look, their turboprops and because of their longer wingspan. Also unlike the Hornets almost the entire length of the wings fold. C2s are wider than the E2s but they essentally have the same airframe type I think.
Intrepid
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With a wingspan of nearly 25 meters they need a large runway. Most space on an aircraft carriers deck is the reserved space for take off and landing.
kwaigonegin
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true however this was in response to the original question about anchoring the planes to the flight deck and parking not TOs and landings.
If the photos of a y-7 based AWAC with E-2 like quadruple vertical tail surfaces circulating on the internet indeed show something intended for Chinese carriers, as most observers seem to assume, then there will be aircraft a good deal larger than E-2 on Chinese carrier. The Y-7 is 25 meter long and has unfolded wing span of 30 meters.
It would be interesting to know if a reasonably heavily loaded y-7 could take off with a 180-200 meter ground roll in 30 knot head wind, or if it could with reasonably uprated engines. If so, then this AEW aircraft could be intended for the liaoning. Otherwise it must be intended for a catapult equipped follow on to the Liaoning. A JATO pack would seem rather dangerous for this purpose.
It would be interesting to know if a reasonably heavily loaded y-7 could take off with a 180-200 meter ground roll in 30 knot head wind, or if it could with reasonably uprated engines. If so, then this AEW aircraft could be intended for the liaoning. Otherwise it must be intended for a catapult equipped follow on to the Liaoning. A JATO pack would seem rather dangerous for this purpose.
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The waist position is designed to be able to launch fully armed and fueled Su-33 given 25 knots headwind. The front two launching position is adequate for partially fueled Su-33 engaged in fleet defense role carrying mainly air-air armaments to be launch even in the extreme case of zero head wind.
There was a series of diagrams showing take-off curves for Su-33 from the two different take-off positions with different weight and under different headwinds, but I can't locate the exact posts, I think they are in this thread though:
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/navy/plan-carrier-operations-news-videos-photos-270-5683.html
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