PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)
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I'm pretty sure Jiangnan shipyards in Shanghai is the one building the first 055 and this mysterious hull that is getting a lot of attention is at Dalian.
The beam of the ship we're seeing at present is definitely far too large to be an 055 unless 055 displaces as much as a WWII era battleship.
Even ignoring the sheer size of the ship, the hull shape isn't what you'd expect of a destroyer either.
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I think the significance of this picture is not the ship itself, but all those supports that will be used later on to prop up the overhanging portions.Here is a high res pic of the same pic from FYJS (好图共享)
That's incorrect. The hanger deck is an internal deck of the hull. The last American carriers whose main strength deck was the hanger deck and whose hanger were a load carried on top of the hull were ships of the midway class, built near the end of WWII. On all modern American aircraft carriers the flight deck is the main strength deck of the hull. Hanger structure is integral to the hull. Hanger deck continues to contrubute to overall hull stiffness and strength. But it the flight deck that takes most of the hull bending load.
Modern Russian carriers were built along the same lines.
The hull design that incorporates the hanger within the hull and places the strength deck at the flight deck level is both stronger and lighter than the one which places the hanger as a super structural load on top of the hull. It is for the same reason that a deeper beam resist bending more efficiently than a shallower beam of the same weight.
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I told you it was a carrier how did they manage to build it so quick?? Wow chinese shipbuilding is so fast from hull to complete carrier painted 
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This dry dock is geared and equipped for carrier construction, it has the facility's to build a carrier and the sorrounding area has been equipped to handle similar construction and over the years they have added to it
We all rumoured that Dalian will be the shipyard that will build the first carrier and mock up modules appeared a few years ago in a time span which is normal from mock up to actual ship
All pieces build the jigsaw which is in line with carrier construction
I can say that personally I can't yet see any critical component that rules it or out as a carrier but going by the other info stated I call this 001A
It would be like calling Rosyth is building a cargo ship
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This dry dock is geared and equipped for carrier construction, it has the facility's to build a carrier and the sorrounding area has been equipped to handle similar construction and over the years they have added to it
We all rumoured that Dalian will be the shipyard that will build the first carrier and mock up modules appeared a few years ago in a time span which is normal from mock up to actual ship
All pieces build the jigsaw which is in line with carrier construction
I can say that personally I can't yet see any critical component that rules it or out as a carrier but going by the other info stated I call this 001A
It would be like calling Rosyth is building a cargo ship
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That would be Midway with a capital M... Are you sure about Midway class CVs? I served aboard Midway from August 1973 until August 1974 and I can assure you she had an armored flight deck 3.5 inches(9 cm) thick. So wouldn't that make her flight deck the strength deck? I'm no naval engineer just an old sailor.
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That would be Midway with a capital M... Are you sure about Midway class CVs? I served aboard Midway from August 1973 until August 1974 and I can assure you she had an armored flight deck 3.5 inches(9 cm) thick. So wouldn't that make her flight deck the strength deck? I'm no naval engineer just an old sailor.
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No, Midway's flight deck was armored, but was not structurally part of the hull. She had a similar open superstructural hanger design to the previous Essex class CV.
Prior to the aborted CV United States, only Lexington and Saratoga had flight deck integrated into the hull. That aspect of their design was considered unsatisfactory because built up hull structure around the hanger restricted the size of the hanger, and also posed a severe damage control hazard because the hull would contain any poisonous fumes or explosions in the hanger, and prevent them from venting out the sides. That's why they were not repeated in later carriers until the United States.
Aa result, WWII era US carriers all had light hanger and flight deck built as relatively light superstructure on top of a conventional hull. This allowed them to have a large hanger, house more aircraft, and also absorbe bomb hits and subsequent induced explosions by having the light structure simply blow out. At the end of WWII, it was becoming clear an armored flight deck could have kept the ship fighting, where as a light hanger and flight deck merely allowed the ship to better survive. So the midway was given a armored flight deck, but still had a light, mostly open hanger structure.
After Midway, the USN began to think about building carriers that can launch strategic nuclear bombers that can bomb the Soviet Union. It was clear any strategic carrier based bombers that can carry a then typical atomic bomb over a useful range was going to be far larger than any carrier plane that had ever come before, and a carrier that can hanger bombers that size would be prohibitively large. So the USN had to adopt to the idea that major portion of an carrier's airwing will never go into the hanger. Once that mental threshold was crossed, it became possible to accept that new carriers can have, for its size, comparatively small hangers. Also, the deck edge elevator had supplanted the deck center elevator. This did two things. 1. The flight deck over the main hull now no longer has big holes in it, so it could become much more efficient than before as a strength deck. 2. Deck edge elevators forced hull sides to incorporate big openings, through which any poisonous fumes or explosions can vent out the sides. So building up the hull again to the level of the flight deck, as had been done 25 years before in the Saratoga and Lexington, once again became a viable way to save weight and make the hull stronger for the same displacement.
So since the aborted United States, all American carriers had hulls built up to the flight deck, with flight deck integrated into the hull as the main strength deck.
Prior to the aborted CV United States, only Lexington and Saratoga had flight deck integrated into the hull. That aspect of their design was considered unsatisfactory because built up hull structure around the hanger restricted the size of the hanger, and also posed a severe damage control hazard because the hull would contain any poisonous fumes or explosions in the hanger, and prevent them from venting out the sides. That's why they were not repeated in later carriers until the United States.
Aa result, WWII era US carriers all had light hanger and flight deck built as relatively light superstructure on top of a conventional hull. This allowed them to have a large hanger, house more aircraft, and also absorbe bomb hits and subsequent induced explosions by having the light structure simply blow out. At the end of WWII, it was becoming clear an armored flight deck could have kept the ship fighting, where as a light hanger and flight deck merely allowed the ship to better survive. So the midway was given a armored flight deck, but still had a light, mostly open hanger structure.
After Midway, the USN began to think about building carriers that can launch strategic nuclear bombers that can bomb the Soviet Union. It was clear any strategic carrier based bombers that can carry a then typical atomic bomb over a useful range was going to be far larger than any carrier plane that had ever come before, and a carrier that can hanger bombers that size would be prohibitively large. So the USN had to adopt to the idea that major portion of an carrier's airwing will never go into the hanger. Once that mental threshold was crossed, it became possible to accept that new carriers can have, for its size, comparatively small hangers. Also, the deck edge elevator had supplanted the deck center elevator. This did two things. 1. The flight deck over the main hull now no longer has big holes in it, so it could become much more efficient than before as a strength deck. 2. Deck edge elevators forced hull sides to incorporate big openings, through which any poisonous fumes or explosions can vent out the sides. So building up the hull again to the level of the flight deck, as had been done 25 years before in the Saratoga and Lexington, once again became a viable way to save weight and make the hull stronger for the same displacement.
So since the aborted United States, all American carriers had hulls built up to the flight deck, with flight deck integrated into the hull as the main strength deck.
If you look at the design of the Kuznetsov class carriers, and Liaoning, both have fairly small hangers for their size, and it's clear hangerimg the entire airwing is an impossibility with these ships just like on the American carriers, In fact on the Kuznetsov the hanger is made even smaller because a battery of SS-n-19 Granite missile tubes took up very substantial amount of space that could have been devoted to the hanger. So clearly these ships were not designed with light hanger structure and light flight deck like WWII era US carriers.
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