PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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Lion

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There is no reason to rush the carrier program period. The very existence of a Chinese carrier program is proof that China is not planning for a serious conflict with the United States. Carriers do not fit in the defensive anti-intervention Chinese strategy. If the United States gets serious with the dangerous AirSea Battle doctrine, then China needs to seriously prepare for conflict, which would mean a decreased priority for the carrier program.
But that doesn't mean China won't move to CVN without constructing several large conventional carriers first. Nuclear propulsion simply makes too much sense for carriers and there is no good reason for China not to move in that direction.

At the same time, China are concurrently running a ASBM and heavily upgrading second artillery corps. China has the cash now. She is spending up what was neglected in the past. I think she is preparing for conflict with USA while at the same time preparing for more roles she will take in future times of international affair with her CV fleet.
 

latenlazy

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Security environment can change on a whim, rushing then may be too late. Who knows, maybe carriers will go the way of battleships and there might not be a reason to build them any longer within our lifetime!

Generally speaking the more you can do safely the safer it is to rush when you have to. While I agree that there will always be potential for disruptors to make any military technology obsolete, but I think the difference between a battleship and an aircraft carrier is that the aircraft carrier isn't just an offensive weapon but a massively important logistical asset. That alone makes obsolescence a much less likely outcome in the face of new military developments.
 
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hardware

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even if PLAN introduce CV with CAT,it still not going to change the equation.US pacific fleet is still enjoy over whelming superiority both quality and quantity.
 

Totoro

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I don't think anyone is denying that. USN fleet is so large that even if a "two nuclear subs a year, two destroyers a year, a carrier every three years" building programme commences tomorrow and USN doesn't add any additional unplanned funding as a response to that, PLAN's fleet would still require another 35 or so years to get to the same level as USN, numbers wise.
 

rolking

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even if PLAN introduce CV with CAT,it still not going to change the equation.US pacific fleet is still enjoy over whelming superiority both quality and quantity.

I don't think anyone is denying that. USN fleet is so large that even if a "two nuclear subs a year, two destroyers a year, a carrier every three years" building programme commences tomorrow and USN doesn't add any additional unplanned funding as a response to that, PLAN's fleet would still require another 35 or so years to get to the same level as USN, numbers wise.

And this is the argument for PLAN to go slow, take its own sweet time to field her ships??? :confused:

NOOOOOOO!!! This should be the argument to speed up its development and deployment of PLAN assets!!!
 

dingyibvs

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Generally speaking the more you can do safely the safer it is to rush when you have to. While I agree that there will always be potential for disruptors to make any military technology obsolete, but I think the difference between a battleship and an aircraft carrier is that the aircraft carrier isn't just an offensive weapon but a massively important logistical asset. That alone makes obsolescence a much less likely outcome in the face of new military developments.

Indeed, but I've always wondered why it can't be an exclusively logistical asset. For example, why can't we just build a bunch of smaller but integratable runway ships? Need a longer runway? Just hook a few of those ships together! Massive missile wave incoming? Unchain the ships and minimize your losses. With the trend toward modularity, I don't know why navies around the world haven't been experimenting with something like this. These ships would be cheap to build and operate, and be very expendable since they're nothing more than floating runways.
 

no_name

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Indeed, but I've always wondered why it can't be an exclusively logistical asset. For example, why can't we just build a bunch of smaller but integratable runway ships? Need a longer runway? Just hook a few of those ships together! Massive missile wave incoming? Unchain the ships and minimize your losses. With the trend toward modularity, I don't know why navies around the world haven't been experimenting with something like this. These ships would be cheap to build and operate, and be very expendable since they're nothing more than floating runways.

The general operation rule for large expensive military units like Naval ship is that each unit be required to be capable to perform its designated tasks by itself. Requiring multiple units to do one job increases amount of things that can go wrong. The idea of multiple ships chaining together and dispersing on command is a lot lot lot more complex than the words might indicate. (how long, how many steps to go through chaining/unchaining ships, structual strenth, waves affecting runway etc etc) It is better (for now anyway) to simple have two aircraft carriers than to try chaining two runway ships together. An aircraft carrier task force might seem like an example of multiple different units operating together, but each units have it's own tasks and they are required to be able to handle that task independently, with intel shared between.
 

Engineer

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Indeed, but I've always wondered why it can't be an exclusively logistical asset. For example, why can't we just build a bunch of smaller but integratable runway ships? Need a longer runway? Just hook a few of those ships together! Massive missile wave incoming? Unchain the ships and minimize your losses. With the trend toward modularity, I don't know why navies around the world haven't been experimenting with something like this. These ships would be cheap to build and operate, and be very expendable since they're nothing more than floating runways.

Chaining ships together was tried, and failed miserably. See
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latenlazy

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even if PLAN introduce CV with CAT,it still not going to change the equation.US pacific fleet is still enjoy over whelming superiority both quality and quantity.
Unless China wants to mount an invasion of the US mainland the carriers are not China's answer to a US CVN group, so drawing comparisons is somewhat pointless anyways. China's navy doesn't have to be the equal of the USN to change the equation in the Pacific either.
 
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