PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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Blitzo

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Saying something...and actually doing it are different things (of course).

I want to see credible evidence of them actually launching aircraft from their test apparatus...even to see deadload launches.

They will HAVE TO DO THIS.

That will say a lot about their program. But that is also just a start.

They will have to launch many hundreds...even thousands of test launches until they get to a point that they are confidant the system will work on land before they ever take it to sea.

That type of testing can take well over five or more years. Believe me, I know.

The first deadload EMALS launches for the US on land at Lakehurst occurred in 2009 I believe. Folks, that is six years ago. They are scheduled to do deadload launches off of the Ford this summer I believe. Like I said...six years.

You should expect to see the same thing from the Chinese. So...I am waiting for documented evidence that they have launched anything off of the test apparatus.

Saying it is ready and showing it is ready are two completely different things.

I think it is rare for the PLA to officially say anything is ready let alone show it, until it is well and truly done and dusted and polished.

I mean, I think we should all remember that the PLA rarely officially gives out statements about its military development, and definitely not like Iran, North Korea or even Russia in the sense that they don't really toot their own horn and rarely exaggerate their progress for the sake of propaganda like those countries.

So therefore when they do come out with statements like this, I personally perk up and listen.
 

bd popeye

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China has an EMAL catapult possibly superior to the USN?...You guys need to read Jeffs post #3156.

It will take time to implement. Possibly thousands of test cat shots before an aircraft is catapulted into the sky.
 

Blackstone

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China has an EMAL catapult possibly superior to the USN?...You guys need to read Jeffs post #3156.

It will take time to implement. Possibly thousands of test cat shots before an aircraft is catapulted into the sky.
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Ultra

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I am trying to reconcile your statement to his "He emphasized that China's catapult-assisted take-off technology in hand is no inferior to that of America, and is even more advanced."

The facts are , the US testing to-date is showing that under operating environment there are major test issues surfacing that goes beyond some lab type environment. In the absence of test details, I am having a problem differentiating between propaganda and reality.





I am guessing the Chinese are "translating" the knowledge they learned from the maglev train set system in Shanghai to the EMALS. To the chinese that's a mature technology that's been proven and thoroughly studied.


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In April 2006, new announcements by Chinese officials planning to cut maglev rail costs by a third stirred some strong comments by various German officials and more diplomatic statements of concern from Transrapid officials.
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reported that the China Daily had quoted the State Council encouraging engineers to "learn and absorb foreign advanced technologies while making further innovations."

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After that news (that was back in 2006) and probably under much under the table arm twisting the German agreed to a limited
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with China. The first Chinese-built four-car vehicle containing German core components and technology went into service in January 2011.

So, the chinese basically knows how to build maglev system that can hurl several hundred tonnes to a 430 km/h speed; granted it can only reach that top speed after 2 minutes, but an aircraft is a whole lot lighter than a carriage train sets and aircraft only needs 266 km/h to take off; so it is not impossible to translate that tech over.
 
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Ultra

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Saying something...and actually doing it are different things (of course).

I want to see credible evidence of them actually launching aircraft from their test apparatus...even to see deadload launches.

They will HAVE TO DO THIS.

That will say a lot about their program. But that is also just a start.

They will have to launch many hundreds...even thousands of test launches until they get to a point that they are confidant the system will work on land before they ever take it to sea.

That type of testing can take well over five or more years. Believe me, I know.

The first deadload EMALS launches for the US on land at Lakehurst occurred in 2009 I believe. Folks, that is six years ago. They are scheduled to do deadload launches off of the Ford this summer I believe. Like I said...six years.

You should expect to see the same thing from the Chinese. So...I am waiting for documented evidence that they have launched anything off of the test apparatus.

Saying it is ready and showing it is ready are two completely different things.





The chinese have been accused of acquiring civilian "dual-use" technologies and then militarized it - and I think this is one of them. They have been hurling several hundred tonnes of metal/train/people on that test track known as Shanghai Maglev Train Track for well over a decade so they certainly have the experience and knowhow !!







(I am joking just in case you didn't know!) :D
 

Intrepid

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As far as I know right now, EMALS is not requiring and modification over steam cat launches to the aircraft.

Of course...the equipment within the ship is completely different. But grabbing ahold of the aircraft is being accomplished in the same way.

This is an area that the Chinese will have to develop and test significantly to ensure that their aircraft are designed appropriately for the stress, and to ensure that they have the right apparatus to enable it to be safely launched.

Deadload tests will allow them to figure this out...apply what is learned to actual aircraft...and then test (perhaps deadload) the aircraft themselves before moving on to actual powered aircraft launches.
They have to do this for steam as well as for EMALS. And they have to do it for AEW and COD, not for fighters.
 
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