PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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Sections of a ship at Jiangnan Group's Changxing Island shipbuilding facility near Shanghai may be parts of China's first indigenously built aircraft carrier.

Images of the blocks recently began appearing on Chinese military forums and websites and have been corroborated by DigitalGlobe satellite imagery of the Changxing Island site dated 3 March 2013. The structure of the block does not resemble any of the commercial vessels currently under construction in the surrounding docks.

China commissioned its first aircraft carrier, Liaoning , in 2012 after refitting the former Soviet Kuznetsov (Orel) (Project 1143.5/6)-class vessel in Dalian. Liaoning has been repeatedly described as a training platform that would precede the construction and commissioning of homegrown carriers.

The section shown in satellite imagery at Changxing island appears to be around 24-27 m wide at the waterline and 46-52 m wide at the top where it would meet the wider flight deck. It has a space for a hangar that would be 20-22.3 m wide and 4.5-5.1 m high at this section of the forward hull and may become beamier and more spacious towards the centre section.

By comparison, Liaoning and its sister ship Admiral Kuznetsov are approximately 70 m wide at their widest point on the flight deck and 37 m at the waterline. India's Kiev-class carrier Vikramaditya (ex- Admiral Gorshkov ) is smaller with a 51 m-wide deck and width of 32.7 m at the waterline.

IHS Jane's Fighting Ships notes Liaoning 's hangar as being 29.4 m wide and 7.5 m high while Vikramaditya 's hangar is reported as 22.5 m wide.

The images show the section at the head of the smaller of the four building docks at the Changxing Island facility. The dock is 360 m long and 80 m wide. Aside from constructing warships, Jiangnan currently has a large order book of over 70 merchant ships across its three facilities.

By using this dock, the shipyard may be trying to limit any potential impacts on the carrier's build time of having to share with civilian vessels under construction. This would have been the case if one of the three larger docks at Changxing Island had been used.

The images may also help to explain recent CSIC announcements, which sources in China have said may be linked to the carrier programme. CSIC suspended trading on 16 May and justified the move by saying it was in negotiations with government departments for an "unprecedented contract for military fitting" and so "did not want to distort the stock market". To "maintain fairness in information release", CSIC said it would cease trading until a major announcement in mid-August.

The images are also supported by the existence of a scale model of the Jiangnan yard at Changxing that was unveiled in 2009 and displayed an aircraft carrier in a dry dock. In the same year, the shipyard put up a banner announcing it had "the determination, confidence, and capability to take on China's first large-scale surface warship!", while in 2010, more than 200 high-ranking PLAN officers visited the yard.

In 2011 Reuters quoted a high-ranking Chinese political figure as saying that two carriers were being built at the yard. In the same year, He Guoqiang, a standing member of the Chinese Communist Party's politburo, visited Jiangnan and stressed the need for "innovation and conquering hurdles in key technologies".

However, in April 2013 Rear Admiral Song Xue, deputy chief of staff of the PLAN, told foreign defence attaches that China's next carrier "will be larger and carry more fighter [aircraft]" but denied that construction was under way at Changxing
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I still believe that the constrction in question at Changxing, if military, is an LHA Amphibious Assault Carrier and not a full blown aircraft carrier.


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But that is just my opinion.
 
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Well nothing beats Janes defence, if they say it's a flat top it's a flat top, I've been saying it since day one as have others
 
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Kind of make sense for Shanghai to attempt the smaller LHD first if they are building a new cat carrier from scratch. Plus 40k+ tons is not that small. Dalian will probably aim to push out a Liaoning similar ski jump carrier. I hope they shrink the island significantly.
 
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according to blogger the ship include skid jump,her final design may resemble now retire HMS Invincible.
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HMS Invincible is far too small at 20,000 tons for the next PLAN Carrier to by modeled after her.

I believe the next PLAN Carrier, their first indigenous carrier will look a lot like the Liaoning. They know the design by now inside and out. It will give them the experience building a carrier, and it will improve their logistics, operational capability, and training having two carriers that are so similar. They will improve the design in several ways, but outwardly it will look very similar.

Then, I believe they will move on and build a couple of conventional CATOBAR carriers of their own design Sort of like the US Forrestal class.

After that, I expect they will improve on that design and then settle on a longer term, improved CATOBAR design very much like this second batch, but potentially nuclear powered. That class would then persist for 30+ years and be used to replace the Liaoning and their first carrier as they reach the end of their service life.

We shall see.
 
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Jeff Head said:
HMS Invincible is far too small at 20,000 tons for the next PLAN Carrier to by modeled after her.

I believe the next PLAN Carrier, their first indigenous carrier will look a lot like the Liaoning. They know the design by now inside and out. It will give them the experience building a carrier, and it will improve their logistics, operational capability, and training having two carriers that are so similar. They will improve the design in several ways, but outwardly it will look very similar.

Then, I believe they will move on and build a couple of conventional CATOBAR carriers of their own design Sort of like the US Forrestal class.

After that, I expect they will improve on that design and then settle on a longer term, improved CATOBAR design very much like this second batch, but potentially nuclear powered. That class would then persist for 30+ years and be used to replace the Liaoning and their first carrier as they reach the end of their service life.

We shall see.
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Yup.. I think that is a logical progression for them to do. Build another Lioaning like ship followed by a couple of CVs and then CVNs but I'll be an old man by the time PLAN's first indegenous CVN commissions so I don't really care . LOL

I'll be interested to see if they have any serious plans on the aviation side of things. Will they produce their own S/TOVL aircraft? the good news for PLAN is J-15/Flanker variants is probably about as big a strike aircraft as you get so whatever aircraft they have in the future will most likely be smaller which means increase in inventory and real estate space on their carriers.
 
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中国海军的核动力发展，肯定要追溯到第一艘核动力攻击潜艇。现在有关中国建造核潜艇的书籍和刊物已经比较多了，逐渐把笼罩在核潜艇研制上的大幕徐徐拉开。但有关中国第一种核潜艇的一些关键性指标，例如核动力装置的功率，依然极少。2001年《兵器知识》杂志刊登了美国斯坦福大学教授约翰·威尔逊·刘易斯的《中国建造核潜艇》一书的部分内容，其中提到中国核动力攻击潜艇的压水堆功率为48 MW，而核动力弹道导弹潜艇的压水堆功率为58 MW。而中国科学院高能物理研究所研究员沈经在2008年发表的文章则透露中国首艘潜艇核动力装置的功率为90MW。两者相差了几乎一倍。但不得不承认的是，无论是48还是90，这个数值和国外相比还是有相当差距的。美国从洛杉矶级核潜艇之后的潜艇用核反应堆功率一般在150MW以上
little information regarding the development of Chinese naval reactor,but info about the Chinese nuclear reactor for submarine beginning emerge,for example Stanford uni. professor William louis book claim that PLAN nuclear heavy water nuke reactor for first.gen. attack sub has 48mw output.while SSBN carry 58MW reactor..but a 2008 scientific report prepare by Chinese research lab Chinese nuclear submarine power by a 90mw nuclear reactor.but no matter if it's a 48 or 90mw output,still way behind the Los Angeles class SSN,which has 150MW output nuclear reactor.
if PLAN do plan to construct a nuclear power carrier,there are lot of technical huddle to overcome.
 
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