PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

kwaigonegin said:

yes that is correct. I believe that last stamp is a picture of the Jiaolong DSV.

I think the stamp set represents China's innovation/progress in the areas of space, air/sea and sub surface.

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It's part of "China Dream" series released this year. These four are under "Strong and Prosperous County" section of the series. The four are Shengzhou-Tiangong Docking, Beidou GPS satellites, Liaoning Aircraft Carrier, and Jiaolong submersible.

Franklin said:

Based on this i would say Liaoning is back in port in Qingdao. Unless other information comes to light.

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Sea trials under shipyard

first sea trial (10 august 2011 – 13 august 2011) (3 days)
second sea trial (28 november 2011 – 10 december 2011) (12 days)
third sea trial (20 december 2011 – 29 december 2011) (9 days)
fourth sea trial (7 january 2012 – 16 january 2012) (9 days)
fifth sea trial (19 april 2012 – 30 april 2012) (11 days)
sixth sea trial (7 may 2012 – 16 may 2012) (9 days)
seventh sea trial (23 may 2012 – 1 june 2012) (9 days)
eighth sea trial (7 june 2012 – 21 june 2012 ) (14 days)
ninth sea trial (6 july 2012 – 30 july 2012) (24 days)
tenth sea trial (27 august 2012 – 30 august 2012) (3 days)

under shipyard total 103 days at sea in 1 year and 20 days

Sea trials under PLAN (commissioned on 25 september 2012)

first sea trial (11 october 2012 – 30 october 2012) (19 days)
second sea trail (12 november 2012 – 25 november 2012) (13 days)
third sea trial (11 june 2013 - 3 july 2013) (22 days)
fourth sea trial (15 august 2013 - 23 august 2013) (8 days)
fifth sea trial (1 september 2013 - 21 september 2013) (20 days)
sixth sea trial (23 october 2013 - 11 november 2013) (19 days)
seventh sea trial (26 november 2013 - 29 november 2013) (3 days)
eighth sea trial (5 december 2013 - 25 december 2013) (20 days)

under PLAN total 124 days at sea in 1 year and 3 months

total days at sea 227 days in 2 years and 5 months and 15 days

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I was going to ask you Frankin what's the update that's excellent to see

So under the shipyard we have 27% of the time at sea

And under the navy also 27% such a coincidence!!

Anyhow I hope this last number make a dramatic increase they need to be up there at around 50% plus to get the air wing trained, btw I think it has increased since the last time I think it was like 23% under PLAN we are heading in the right direction

There was a 6,5 month period between 26 november 2012 and 10 june 2013 that the Liaoning sat at port doing nothing. If we just look at the last 6,5 months she is out to sea for 92 out of the 197 days or 46,7%. That's quite good but i would like to see her go out to sea for longer periods than the 3 weeks average that we have now. Try 90 days ! Once the air wing embarked she will hopefully go out to sea for longer periods. The air wing if we are lucky can embark at the end of next year if not then its 2015.

Franklin said:

There was a 6,5 month period between 26 november 2012 and 10 june 2013 that the Liaoning sat at port doing nothing. If we just look at the last 6,5 months she is out to sea for 92 out of the 197 days or 46,7%. That's quite good but i would like to see her go out to sea for longer periods than the 3 weeks average that we have now. Try 90 days ! Once the air wing embarked she will hopefully go out to sea for longer periods. The air wing if we are lucky can embark at the end of next year if not then its 2015.

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Ah yes thats a good point there was that long delay otherwise like you say the % deployed is almost 50%

We have seen this photo here before but this is perhabs the highest resolution photo of Liaoning's flight deck out there. The details you can see on this photo is incredible.

Franklin said:

We have seen this photo here before but this is perhabs the highest resolution photo of Liaoning's flight deck out there. The details you can see on this photo is incredible.

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Amazing. I've never seen her so up close before. Those birds at the back look gold. Which is kind of cool. Haha.

Franklin said:

We have seen this photo here before but this is perhabs the highest resolution photo of Liaoning's flight deck out there. The details you can see on this photo is incredible.

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Yes, that is the sixth photo I use on my Liaoning page:


As to the one question/comment about the two aircraft in the back being "golden," they are actually yellow and this denotes that they are not production aircraft, but test aircraft. We are all hoping to see more of the production aircraft in PLAN colors soon, like the one, number 554, that has already flown off of the carrier.

Hope your are not saying that 554 is a production aircraft. It's a prototype, same series of side numbers and has the camera regisrtation markings, definitely not production.

jacksprat said:

Hope your are not saying that 554 is a production aircraft. It's a prototype, same series of side numbers and has the camera regisrtation markings, definitely not production.

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I think Jeff was referring to production plans will be painted similar to the prototype 554.

Anyway, just wondering if the following had been discussed before. Regarding possible safety issues with the STOBAR method of launching aircrafts off a carrier, comparing to that of a CATOBAR/catapult system.

Well, as far as a landlubber like myself know, if there is a fault with a catapult on a CATOBAR carrier, planes just don't launch (from that catapult). If a plane is hooked up to a catapult, and the catapult fail in the last moment before firing (?), the plane just don't launch... correct?

What will happen on a STOBAR carrier, if a plane is choked against the two wheel blocks and one (not both) of the wheel block failed to close down (and release the plane for take off)? My questions are:

1. Will the plane "spin" to one side?
2. Do we know of any safety measures that had been implemented on the Russian, Chinese and Indian carriers (which use such system, of different generation and/or by different design teams)?
3. If such situation do happen, what steps (do we know of) are taken to train the deck crew to handle the situation.
4. Would they have someway (mechanical?) to ensure that both block close down together or not at all?

For point 4, I am hopping the reason the Liaoning's wheel block look the way it does is because they have considered such a scenario; that there is some mechanical and/or electrical safety measures that prevent situation where only one wheel block closes down. What about the design on the Kuznetsov and the Vikramaditya?

Well, Happy New Year! If I don't get to sign on until next year!

Jovian

Jovian said:

Well, as far as a landlubber like myself know, if there is a fault with a catapult on a CATOBAR carrier, planes just don't launch (from that catapult). If a plane is hooked up to a catapult, and the catapult fail in the last moment before firing (?), the plane just don't launch... correct?

Jovian

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Correct.. However I served aboard 5 carriers. John F Kennedy, Midway, Hancock, America & Nimitz. Never once in seven deployments did a catapult failure ever occur. Never.

As for the wheel chocks.. I have no idea. Perhaps someone schooled in that area may respond.