PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)

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jon88

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The models themselves...unless thay are scratch built...not so much.

The dioramas and the case...moderately sp. I imagine that case cost more than all of the unassembled model kits together. The time to put them all together, that would be time consuming and expensive.

I have two Type 054As, one Type 052C, one Type 052B, an SSN and the Liaoning, all in 1/350 scale. These models look like 1/350 scale. My Liaoning is a little less than 3ft long and that looks about the size of these models. All of those took me about 5-6 months of after work time (in the evenings) to build. Total cost for the kits was maybe $250-300 US dollars.

It is interesting the group they are showing.

I clearly make out:

1 x Liaoning
2 x Type 052C
2 x Type 051C
2 x Type 054A
1 x Type 052B
1 x Type 093 SSN

Strong grouping that. Eight escorts for the carrier.

Apparently it is a branch of the Shanghai Maritime exhibition that put it together. It is an older configuration and set of models because the DDGs and FFGs have the old pennant number styles.

Here are my PLAN 1/350 scale models:


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One day I will get them all out on our dinner table and take a few pics of them all together.

I think you probably want to stretch the 2 parallel white zebra landing lines on your Liaoning model. You have a super hobby.
 
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Air Force Brat

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The aircraft spotted on the starboard side take off position of the model appear to have su-34 style side by side cockpit canopy.

Either the model maker wasn't particular about which plane kit he threw on the model, or the PLAN has some plans to field a side by side dual trainer or perhaps even a more dedicated strike variant of j-15 with side by side seating similar to the su-34.

Also, what is that remarkable 4 engined AWAC parked on the rear of that carrier? That is the first 4 engined carrier aircraft I've seen, and by comparison to the j-15s parked next to it possibly the smallest 4 engine jet aircraft with engines in underwing nacelles ever. It vaguely resembles a scaled down BAE 146 regional jet with a Radome attached.

Yes, that caught my eye as well, it obviously is not to scale, and someone thought it would look good on there???
 

Jeff Head

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The aircraft spotted on the starboard side take off position of the model appear to have su-34 style side by side cockpit canopy.

Either the model maker wasn't particular about which plane kit he threw on the model, or the PLAN has some plans to field a side by side dual trainer or perhaps even a more dedicated strike variant of j-15 with side by side seating similar to the su-34.

Also, what is that remarkable 4 engined AWAC parked on the rear of that carrier? ... by comparison to the j-15s parked next to it possibly the smallest 4 engine jet aircraft with engines in underwing nacelles ever.
Well, as you mentioned the Rusisans of course do have the SU-34 Full back which is a side-by-side seating arrangement for a strike version of the SU-27 line.


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The Russians currently have 34 or 35 of these aircraft and they are in low-rate production. They plan on having 124 total aircraft by 2020. I know of no plans for the Russians to navalize these aircraft for carrier operations.

The PLAN has never, to my knowledge, indicated any interest in them eiter, nor do I expect them to. Wiith their own J-16for the PLAAF and a Tandem Seat J-15 for the PLAN, they will have no need to.

As to the AEW aircraft, it looks like a scaled down/bastardized version of the four-engined Beriev A-50 AWACS.


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Or maybe a scaled down version of the four engined PLAAF KJ-2000 AWACS...to make it fit on deck.


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That's my guess.

But they made it too small. Sort of like the SU-34 shown on deck, it is just a what-if/dream/fanboy placement on the deck.
 
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chuck731

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But they made it too small. .

If the model of A-50 or KJ-2000 were full scale size, its wings would stretch 2/3 of the way across the widest part of Liaoning's deck and its very presence would probably stop all pretense of any other flight operation on the deck dead in its tracks.

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kwaigonegin

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There has a scale model of the CV-16 Battle Grp at a Shanghai exhibition.

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This must be very very costly...

I really like the sea more than anything LOL. The way the artist made the wake and how the prow cuts through the 'water'.... very good color scheme too .. quite impressive. The only major technical error is the sub is floating too high but that would just be real nitpicky on my part.
 

chuck731

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I have a few other nits to pick.

1. The ships should have a lot more wake for the amount of bow wave they are making.

2. A ship generated wave shouldn't have 4-5 crests within the length of the ship unless the ship is going dead slow, and then again its bow wave shouldn't be so prominant

3. The submarine is riding far too high out of water

4. There is just no way so many large surface combatants would cluster so close together while at sea.
 

kwaigonegin

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I have a few other nits to pick.

1. The ships should have a lot more wake for the amount of bow wave they are making.

2. A ship generated wave shouldn't have 4-5 crests within the length of the ship unless the ship is going dead slow, and then again its bow wave shouldn't be so prominant

3. The submarine is riding far too high out of water

4. There is just no way so many large surface combatants would cluster so close together while at sea.

dang chuck! remind me not to invite you to the party ... sure all those are valid points but l still really like the sea.
 

Jeff Head

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If the model of A-50 or KJ-2000 were full scale size, its wings would stretch 2/3 of the way across the widest part of Liaoning's deck and its very presence would probably stop all pretense of any other flight operation on the deck dead in its tracks.

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Chuck...it's a model for pity's sake. A representation, and clearly one that is taking a lot of license to show things how they would like to see them...or think they may one day be.

So...yes, there are all kinds of issues as regards an effort to model it exactly. But that was clearly not their intent.

As to the sea states...again, it's a model. It's just showing things the way someone who may well have never been to sea before, or even studied naval matters, thinks things would appear.

All in all, it is a nice display...not meant to be an actual, factual, down to the centimeter model of how things are.

As to ships "never" getting that closely grouped. Well, in actualy exercises or formations where they are actually carrying out a mission...yes, that is so. But for PR purposes, and photo ops, sometimes they do get very close, all grouped together.


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That's the Abrham Lincoln Strike Group running together in tight formation for a photo Op in 2010 as they prepared for UNREP. UNREP is one of the missions where up to three ships will cruise that close abeam of each other like that...in nice straight lines.
 
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delft

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11 December
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“Source from Central Military Commission (CMC)”: in 2014/15, China will start construction of two more conventionally powered aircraft carriers in Dalian and Shanghai … contracts (valued US$ 9 billion) with China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation already signed … TYPE 001A indigenous carriers will be updated versions of LIAONING … under CMC Project 048, China aims to establish three carrier battle groups by 2020 (one for each fleet).
(rmks: basically in line with previous reports/rumours, yet unconfirmed)
Are they in so much of a hurry?
If true I expect GT electric propulsion and preparation for EM cats in the ski ramp. Test area for jet engines, larger hangar.
 

Blitzo

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If they really do build 001As (STOBAR) rather than 002 (CATOBAR), I hope they are built with an option for EM cats... which would be possible if it were equipped with IEPS.

That would make them far more relevant in the long term.
 
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