PLA strike strategies in westpac HIC

ACuriousPLAFan

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Anyways, that's just my opinion. I think China is being very complacent, trusting of US intentions by keeping their budget this low. If the war comes in the next 5-10 years, they will regret this decision very badly. Its better to be more prepared rather than less.

You should book a flight ticket to Beijing, take a cab to the August 1st Building, and voice your concerns there. I'm sure that the people there would be very enlightened by your proposal.
 

Wrought

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You should book a flight ticket to Beijing, take a cab to the August 1st Building, and voice your concerns there. I'm sure that the people there would be very enlightened by your proposal.

Dude watched the Cold War and decided to emulate the loser.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."

Ironically, the modern US has also forgotten the lessons of its own past. Always funny how you can find quotes from FDR, Eisenhower, etc, talking about the same problems.
 

Maikeru

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Suppose you have $5m. You can spend it on a machine tool which you then use to produce goods you can sell. After a few years the machine has paid for itself and from then until it finally breaks down it's all gravy.

Or you can spend the $5m on a tank. It sits in a shed for 30 years, occasionally gets taken out to trundle round some fields, every decade or so needs an upgrade and all the time costing $$$ and not producing anything.

Now do you understand?
 

siegecrossbow

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the biggest problem with @tamsen_ikard is, he sees China with the eyes of western world.


this 1.5% of total GDP China spending on defense is actual much more efficient and cost effective and it is actually much bigger because of the Physical size of China's economy.. from raw material to parts manufacturing to electronics and equipment/tools all are sources from domestic suppliers plus the cost and wages. its dirt cheap as compare to western Military industrial complex..

USA with 900+ billion USD budget still struggling with shipbuilding , next gen submarine cost overrun, F-35 production slash down , E-7 AWACS cancelled and no budget for FA-XX as well.. what about next gen destroyer ?? out of 70 submarines only 35 are operational. all ships are rusty and old. so my point is, why US looks incompetent despite spending close to 1 trillion USD on defense.

and if the time comes, China could increase spending with ease but this is not the case with USA coz of monumental debt.

Don’t worry. Golden Dome + Starlink Orbital AWAC is actually next generational Death Star capability and would render any PRC efforts moot.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Iwo Jima's Central Field has a 2650m runway
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Which means any PLAAF aircraft can take off and land from there.

I'm sure they can have Y-20s fly over and unload HQ-16 unit as well as SHORAD + all the gears and construction materials and such. Bring in the material to set up a temporary pier. You can have Y-8/9 special missions aircraft land there and increase their reach. As well as UCAVs. You can have YY-20 fly out of there to refuel aircraft looking to attack Guam or even Wake Island.

You can bring in construction crew and material really fast to build up protective hangars. Expand fuel depot and setup communication center and radar stations. Anything can be done if PLA plans it out well and do things efficiently. Remember, there were over 20000 IJA stationed there during WWII and America sent in > 100k troops. It's not that small of an island. There will also be air defense offered by fleet nearby.

On the topic of Iwo Jima - Assuming that China possess the capability of both capturing and holding the island in the future, technically speaking, China could erect an early-warning radar system that can expand China's missile warning horizon much further eastwards. A three-faced LPAR radar on the island is the best option.

However, given the relative isolation of the island, alongside its wide exposure to sea-based (Virginia SSNs and SSGNs with Tomahawk and/or CPS) and aerial-based attacks (standoff missile attacks by bombers and/or carrier-based fighters) without nearby landmass support to provide in-time cover, especially when the war is still very much ongoing - LPAR-type system is out of the question.

That means until the war ends with China still holding onto Iwo Jima - Only less-expensive facilities and systems could be built there. Something that can both be erected quickly, eating comparably fewer resources, and can be repaired, replaced or rebuilt quickly in case of destruction from enemy action.

Of course, this also brings the question on whether it's better for the PLAN to procure something of a sea-based early warning radar platform that can move around.

One possible option would be something akin to the SBX-1, which is an X-band AESA radar based on a modified oil rig platform that can be move around (although with a very slow top speed of less than 10 knots). If Iwo Jima (or any opposing island) can been captured, then these platforms can be moved to be stationed there. The massive size associated with such platforms mean that they are more stable and capable of housing larger systems which would be deemed impractical for warships.

Another option would be a missile tracking and defense (BMD) ship, i.e. something similar to the ASEV pair which are currently being built for the JMSDF. They are certainly smaller and less capable compared to the aforementioned oil rig-based and land-based systems, but their speed and mobility means that they can be very flexible in terms of deployment, alongside being superior in terms of survivability.

I'd say that the 1st option would do good for basing at Iwo Jima (or any captured outlying islands in the 1IC and 2IC), while keeping the 2nd option for flexible, wide-reaching early-warning coverage.
 

Almond98

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I think there is no reason for China to be this slow to catch up to US. I think they should not go for parity. They should go for overmatch and completely dominate US and allies. Make their chances of winning better.
I actually somewhat agree with you that it's better to overestimate your enemy than trying to underestimate them. But that said you need stop thinking that america + allies has x amount of fighter jet vs x amount of china. And they need to be equal. Think of like this way. How many fighter jet will they able to bring to fight china? How many bases america has in Asia to counter china? Is x amount of bases enough to counter china? Do they have capability defend their base from incoming vast amount of Chinese missile? How many hours will it take transport their military equipment from american base to their military base in Asia? How many countries are willing to fight against china? The thing is america is fighting in Chinese territory. China can give 100% fight. They can use every fighter jet, warship, missile to fight against America and it's allies. whereas america has to depend on their allies to attack china. So they can't use every fighter jet even if they want. Sending every carrier is also a big risk as china have the capability to track and destroy each carrier. Even top us officials admit that.
 

gelgoog

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Suppose you have $5m. You can spend it on a machine tool which you then use to produce goods you can sell. After a few years the machine has paid for itself and from then until it finally breaks down it's all gravy.

Or you can spend the $5m on a tank. It sits in a shed for 30 years, occasionally gets taken out to trundle round some fields, every decade or so needs an upgrade and all the time costing $$$ and not producing anything.

Now do you understand?
Except China already has a history of being invaded by economically weaker, yet more hostile powers. Because it failed to provide for its own defense. Do you want a repeat of that?
 

HardBall

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Except China already has a history of being invaded by economically weaker, yet more hostile powers. Because it failed to provide for its own defense. Do you want a repeat of that?

Can you point to any instance of a currently weaker power that is hostile and planning on invading?

History counts for nothing, if there is nothing to draw parallels with.
 

gelgoog

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Can you point to any instance of a currently weaker power that is hostile and planning on invading?

History counts for nothing, if there is nothing to draw parallels with.
The US is already posting "military advisors" in Taiwan counter to agreements signed decades ago. But sure whatever.
 

tamsen_ikard

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Suppose you have $5m. You can spend it on a machine tool which you then use to produce goods you can sell. After a few years the machine has paid for itself and from then until it finally breaks down it's all gravy.

Or you can spend the $5m on a tank. It sits in a shed for 30 years, occasionally gets taken out to trundle round some fields, every decade or so needs an upgrade and all the time costing $$$ and not producing anything.

Now do you understand?
Here is the problem with this thinking. What you said is true in peace time when the likelihood of war is far away. Then it makes sense to use your $5m to buy machine tools, build up factories, make money.

But what if the world has become a dangerous place, what if your enemies want to kill you now before you become rich? Do you still focus on building machine tools or do you build weapons to guard yourself. Because when the war starts, its what you have at that moment that counts. You can't count on your factories if those will be destroyed.

The world is not secure enough right now cause US is in decline and China is rising. The status quo is gone. Everyone is agitating. You can't count on the fact that your tanks and planes will rust in storage for another 30 years. There could be a flashpoint next month and you might need them.
 
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