PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

zyklon

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Many rumors are saying US special forces have been permanently deployed in Kinmen Island. Is this legit? :eek:
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Are you worried it's fake news? I'm pretty sure it's not as I vaguely recall the 2023 NDAA does authorize this. There are countless foreign spies routinely operating in China (along with Chinese people working for foreign spies) and IMO that's a much bigger problem than some special forces in Kinmen.

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may interest you boys. Will highlight some relevant-ish parts, and inject some nonsensical-ish commentary.

Reports indicate a growing presence of the U.S. Special Operations Forces Liaison Element (SOFLE) in Taiwan, with plans to station small teams from 1st Special Forces Group‘s 2nd Battalion, Alpha Company.

The SOFLE will be serving as a headquarters element — kind of like a mini-TSOC, possibly with an O6 at the helm — while ODAs from A/2/1 SFG out of Ft. Lewis will rotate in and out to embed with indigenous forces at the tactical level.

These teams, comprised of three Army Green Beets, are tasked with ongoing joint training missions at the bases of Taiwan’s 101st Amphibious Reconnaissance Battalion and Airborne Special Service Company, acting as permanent training observers.

Looks to be a relatively limited footprint, at least at the tactical level, as ODAs typically deploy as an entire team (12 guys) plus at least one or two add-ons (e.g. JTAC, LLVI operator, etc.). Keep in mind these pipe hitters will only represent a portion of the DoD presence on the island of Taiwan, especially if you're counting contractors.

Since last year, the SOFLE has been operating out of a base in Taoyuan’s Longtan District, coordinating all U.S. special operations activities in Taiwan. This setup includes overseeing high-value equipment and training resources temporarily stationed on the island.

This SOFLE should be co-located with the headquarters of the Republic of China Army Special Forces Command situated at 中华民国台湾省桃园市龙潭区中兴路100号 (124° 52' 39" North, 121° 14' 20" East).

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Their integration with Taiwan’s specialized amphibious reconnaissance units enhances the island’s capabilities to counter enemy incursions, with activities spanning several critical locations, including Kinmen, Matsu, Penghu, and the Tamsui River estuary.

These are austere locations, so guessing 3-6 month TDYs for team guys, perhaps 6-12 month TDYs for SOFLE staff officers and NCOs in 龙潭. A limited number of senior officers and the seniormost E9s might be around for up to two years for the sake of continuity.

Not really permanent assignments compared to Germany, Italy or Japan. Arguably a permanent presence, and reasonably marketable as much by the sitting administration, members of Congress or the DPP leadership to sell themselves as "tough on China."
 
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bsdnf

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trump 2nd term is pretty much golden opportunity to finish off taiwan

NATO , US allied all in chaos , unity level drop to lowest since the end of ww2 , korea politics situation unstable , japan not yet fully rearms , australia too
massive amount of money , weapon , missile wasted in ukraine

US military specially naval and airforce no where near up to date with AI , drone , new missile , F-35 , F-47 , B-21 , new warship in reasonable number to overpower china around taiwan

same as some loyal US allied like UK and their navy

the will to fight for taiwan in US , europe , japan , korea , australia drop to lowest since 1948 ...hell even the will to economic attack/sactions china for taiwan also go down hill at amazing speed

if china let this era go away peacefully , i can't image another one gonna happen again in next 100 years or even more
When challengers whose power gap is narrowing with the hegemony, this period is precisely when there is no need to launch a genuine challenge. The longer the time, the higher the probability of success.

For challengers, the only situation in which it is truly advisable to launch a challenge is when they have lost momentum or the hegemony has regained momentum. They must challenge at the peak of what they perceive to be the turning point in the power gap; after that, it will be too late.

This is also the origin of the (ridiculous) 2027 window period, just the other way around. It is just that this is the turning point when the hegemon thinks that its strength will recover and the gap between the two sides will widen again.
 
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CMP

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This is also the origin of the (ridiculous) 2027 window period, just the other way around. It is just that this is the turning point when the hegemon thinks that its strength will recover and the gap between the two sides will widen again.
Sounds about right. Truly delusional.
 

PLAwatcher12

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They can't, China can make more anti-ship missiles than Americans can make interceptors, there's no way for US to win. Everything you hear about Taiwan is just propaganda for their own population.
You are very much underestimating the US and overestimating China. Anti ship missiles aren’t the only thing that wins was, if the US decides to go to war with China they could absolutely win
 

bebops

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Navy ships are the most vulnerable asset compared to planes and submarine. Knowing China has a numerical advantage in ships, US are going all in on anti-ship missiles.. US has a few companies that can produce cheap 300k anti ship missiles. China knows this. To counter this, China is going to produce the largest 5th fleet with 200/yr production rate soon, very large.

China really need 095 and 096, they already have 8 production hulls already for mass production. After that, China has covered the weakness gaps..

Every manned navy ship needs USV for protection as in help shooting down drones.

I trust China's 5th gen planes to be better than US counterparts. In the future, when China has 2x more 5th gen than U.S, the match is heavily favored China's side.
 
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Heresy

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You are very much underestimating the US and overestimating China. Anti ship missiles aren’t the only thing that wins was, if the US decides to go to war with China they could absolutely win

You know what, I know this is bait, but I'll play.
Assumptions: Everything available as of July 21st, 2025. Say the war kicks off July 22nd, 2025.
First: Define what "winning" means.
Second: Tell me just how the U.S. wins, step by step, engagement by engagement.
 

GZDRefugee

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You know what, I know this is bait, but I'll play.
Assumptions: Everything available as of July 21st, 2025. Say the war kicks off July 22nd, 2025.
First: Define what "winning" means.
Second: Tell me just how the U.S. wins, step by step, engagement by engagement.
There are some crazy bastards who think that a nuclear exchange against China is "winnable". If you think of winning as coming out of the exchange comparatively better than the opponent, I guess they would be correct. Which is why China should be sprinting to nuclear parity ASAP.
 
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