PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

oseaidjubzac

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News Update: Below is a partial translation.
The Ministry of National Defense stated today (26th) that starting from 8:42 AM, a total of 32 Chinese military aircraft, including J-11 fighter jets, KJ-500 early warning aircraft, and various other main and auxiliary aircraft as well as drones, were detected conducting operations over the sea. Among them, 22 aircraft crossed the median line and its extended line, entering the northern and southwestern airspace of Taiwan, in coordination with Chinese naval vessels for what they called a "joint combat readiness patrol."


The Ministry of National Defense further stated that during this period, the Chinese military openly violated international conventions by unilaterally designating a restricted zone approximately 40 nautical miles (about 74 kilometers) off the coast of Kaohsiung and Pingtung without prior warning, claiming that it would conduct live-fire drills.


In response to these actions, Taiwan’s defense authorities strongly condemned the Chinese military’s conduct and immediately deployed naval, air, and land-based forces to monitor, remain on alert, and take appropriate measures.
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00CuriousObserver

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You are making two fundamental mistakes with this line of reasoning.

Alright, time to reply to this.

First of all, you're making quite a few assumptions on what I know and what I think. It is not in your place to make assumptions in such a fashion on things I have not publicly stated, and to make such judgements on "my misunderstandings".

Today all that has changed is that America has become more convinced that loosing to China means the start of its own destruction, since the whole domino middle steps are gone. Fight China and loose over Taiwan and American primacy is over.
All that means deterrence was never an option.

This is a massive proposition you’ve stated. I want to be clear: if deterrence is not an option, are you asserting that the U.S. will definitely go to war—or that the certainty of the U.S. going to war is overwhelmingly high—regardless of China's deterrence and actions? If you are not making such claim—that is, if there is a chance the U.S. will not go to war or escalate the conflict as you might be describing—then I fail to see why deterrence would not remain an option.

If it's the former case, then there needs to be far more support for this proposition. It's one thing for the PLA to be ready for total war with the US; it's an entirely different matter to assert the US will definitely escalate and go to war. I have some points, but I will wait for your comments first.

The second fundamental mistake is that you are shoehorning the current complex geopolitical picture on the irrelevant historical context of WWII and drawing all the wrong conclusions from it by basically re-imagining today’s world as a re-run of WWII, just with China cast in Japan’s place.
Furthermore, America forward deployed military assets are hardly decisive, which means even if China wipes them all out, it doesn’t fundamentally alter anything for America in terms of either it’s desire to fight China, or it’s ability to do so.

Setting aside your assumption about my understanding, the assumption that a first strike does not alter the U.S.'s desire to fight or its ability to wage a war of attrition is not valid. I have already referred to the previous conversation with Rick on attrition, but overall it is very reductive, and establishing its certainty requires further proof.

Nonetheless, there is a chance that what you describe is true, yet it still does not negate my proposition. China might "win" with a deterrence strategy or with a first strike strategy, but the key point is that the CCP will choose the method that minimizes risks and costs.

But eventually, no matter how careful China goes about it, it will reach a point where America feels it needs to move on China while it still can, and that tipping point will be well before China attains conventional military parity with America.
Such a perfect position will never be realistically attainable because China is not the only one who gets a vote on starting a war.

What you are describing is a war of necessity for China, while what I am describing is a war of choice. I did not exclude a first strike as a strategy in a war of necessity

Of course, a war of choice for China will not be "perfect". But more importantly, how do you think the U.S. would trigger such a war? Would it be by recognizing Taiwan as a country and forcing Taiwan to declare independence? Such actions come with significant costs. To quote a recent Foreign Affairs article:

"Many Asian allies worried that Washington’s actions provoked Beijing into cross-strait escalation, or at least handed Beijing a convenient justification for expanding its military activities around Taiwan."

"If U.S. allies and partners deem the United States responsible for the outbreak of a Chinese-Taiwanese war—even if inciting a conflict is not Washington’s intent—they will be less willing to assist U.S. resupply missions and less likely to view China as a threat to themselves. This perception would undermine the paramount U.S. objective of preventing Chinese hegemony in Asia."

Moreover, it is not certain that America's attempts will successfully trigger a war. China has cards to play against U.S. attempts.

All this is to say is that what you are saying is not a foregone conclusion, and it is not true that a war of choice—albeit imperfect—will never occur for China.

As an aside, this is why China's flexibility regarding its red line is a sound strategy. I would go so far as to say that very few factors would compel China to go to war reactively, given its detrimental nature. The Anti-Secession Law is written in a sufficiently vague manner.

I think you are actually massively underestimating the scale, duration and length of the war, as well as the prize for the winner.

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Taiwan’s coastguard has detained a cargo ship and its Chinese crew after an undersea cable in the Taiwan Strait was damaged on Tuesday, saying it cannot rule out the possibility it was a deliberate “grey zone” act.

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China says Taiwan 'manipulating' undersea cable cutting incident before facts clear

China's government said that Taiwan was "manipulating" possible Chinese involvement in the latest severing of an undersea communications cable, saying the island was casting aspersions before the facts were clear.

Taiwan's coast guard said it detained a China-linked cargo ship on Tuesday after a nearby undersea cable to the Penghu Islands in the sensitive Taiwan Strait was disconnected.

Zhu Fenglian, spokesperson for China's Taiwan Affairs Office, told reporters in Beijing that damage to undersea cables were a "common maritime accident" which occur more than a hundred times a year globally.

"While the basic facts and the people responsible for the accident have not yet been clarified, the Democratic Progressive Party authorities have deliberately exaggerated the situation in an attempt at political manipulation, which will not enjoy popular support," she said

#China #Taiwan

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News Update: Below is a partial translation.
The Ministry of National Defense stated today (26th) that starting from 8:42 AM, a total of 32 Chinese military aircraft, including J-11 fighter jets, KJ-500 early warning aircraft, and various other main and auxiliary aircraft as well as drones, were detected conducting operations over the sea. Among them, 22 aircraft crossed the median line and its extended line, entering the northern and southwestern airspace of Taiwan, in coordination with Chinese naval vessels for what they called a "joint combat readiness patrol."


The Ministry of National Defense further stated that during this period, the Chinese military openly violated international conventions by unilaterally designating a restricted zone approximately 40 nautical miles (about 74 kilometers) off the coast of Kaohsiung and Pingtung without prior warning, claiming that it would conduct live-fire drills.


In response to these actions, Taiwan’s defense authorities strongly condemned the Chinese military’s conduct and immediately deployed naval, air, and land-based forces to monitor, remain on alert, and take appropriate measures.
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I don't think people consider this news anymore, PRC has successfully normalized any naval operations around Taiwan :D
 

Overbom

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I don't think people consider this news anymore, PRC has successfully normalized any naval operations around Taiwan :D
by unilaterally designating a restricted zone approximately 40 nautical miles (about 74 kilometers) off the coast of Kaohsiung and Pingtung without prior warning, claiming that it would conduct live-fire drills.
Unless I am mistaken, this is a new salami-slice
 

00CuriousObserver

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Unless I am mistaken, this is a new salami-slice

There is a clear trend of China's actions via-a-vis Taiwan. I don't think the pace is too quick, but it's certainly very steady. I am pleased to see large amphibious ships in such an exercise, but expect a lot more of it.

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Overbom

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There is a clear trend of China's actions via-a-vis Taiwan. I don't think the pace is too quick, but it's certainly very steady. I am pleased to see large amphibious ships in such an exercise, but expect a lot more of it.

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It is a new salami-slice, but if the western media doesn't make a big fuss about it, then China has effectively normalized salami slicing actions in the region. The wanwanese can cry all they want, but 能哭死懂王否?
Just to be clear, new salami-slice I meant the sudden live fire drills without giving prior warning. That seems new to me

Is there anything else that is new?
 

00CuriousObserver

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Is there anything else that is new?

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A lot of countries that support China's Taiwan claim have changed their language to support "all" efforts of unification. This is significant because it means that in a Taiwan war, the UN cannot pass a resolution that "condemns" China's actions.

To quote 王局 but this is overall my opinion, the way China handles the Taiwan situation is very "谋定而后动", "plan carefully before acting". It's like looking at a calm sea, on the surface you might not see much. Yet underneath the turmoil is brewing, "暗流涌动“, and that China is steadily removing all obstacles along the way to reunification.

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