Amphibious landing counter actions such as Special Reconnaissance Against Amphibious Landing.
Marking of Amphibious Landing Zones on Beaches.
Advanced Air Guidance.
Exfiltration.
etc.;
PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency
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Marking of Amphibious Landing Zones on Beaches.
Advanced Air Guidance.
Exfiltration.
etc.;
I think you're confused by having read too many carefully choreographed American exercises where they try to land in 10 000s, simulating 100 000s of troops at once like in partisan suppression such as Iraq or Syria. And everything must be done perfectly according to some theorist's hypothesis. Yet these theorists routinely disregard the reality of combat, they can invent 100 variables that must be perfect for exercises, but in real world, their advice to tankers dealing with FPVs is "look up" and for mine fields it's "drive around".
In reality a middle power like Ukraine can constantly do amphibious ops against even much heavier firepower. At the cost of throwing manpower at the problem. And when it comes for China to defend their own homes like Ukrainians have been doing, why would they also not accept heavier losses?
PLA will not try to achieve some day 1 clean landing as Americans did in Inchon, although certainly maybe it's possible with enough fire suppression, but comes with many unknown variables. Instead they will send a lot of waves of light boats like AFU is doing on Crimea. But what Russians have is air, artillery, air defense and early warning, unless US can hurry land it's own troops in vast scale on Taiwan first, this capability is non existent.
ROCA can repel some speedboats but at least some will make root. Then from there, a much larger unit can be landed. To repel probing assaults, the much less armed KMT need to bring in their heavier weapons and larger troop concentrations, with a sky environment controlled by PLA. They make a column, they're gonna get massacred, but if they don't, they may arrive too late.
The situation of bombing over ROC held areas is going to be as bad as Gaza or possibly several times worse, depending on how creative PLA is in mobilising as many munitions as possible on target. That's not a state of being where troops can frivolously come out or even try to get recon on where amphibious probes will land. You'll have comms cut, mass panic, hiding in tunnels/shelters. So whatever ROCA makes it out to face the PLA probing groups would only be the most lucky (to have accidentally stumbled on the landing location and survived the road there) and brave (for leaving their tunnels and fighting on beaches as organized resistence).
plawolf
Lieutenant General
It’s the other way around. Russia is using rockets because that’s basically all their Su25s can use due to massive chronic under-investment since the fall of the USSR.
What money they did have were overwhelmingly used for big ticket hardware purchases at the expense of far more operationally relevant accessories and expendables like pods and PGMs.
In a way, the VKS of today is like the PLAAF of the late 90s and early 20s. Their top, and realistically, only priority was to prevent enemy air superiority. If the VKS could stop NATO from establishing air superiority, then the Russian ground forces will just steamroll NATO ground forces. CAS is basically considered a massive luxury while deep penetration strikes are for the likes of Iskanders.
In a way, the Russian military was the textbook example of a peacetime military, where there wasn’t really any expectation of seeing real combat, so the procurement decisions were determined by institutional prestige over operational need.
The PLA OTOH, always had Taiwan looming on the horizon, so that helped to massively focus their attention on far more practical considerations.
I assume you mean late 90s and early 2000s, as early 20s would technically refer to the last few years lol
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Yes, silly slip.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
So your idea of how to assault a heavily defended beachhead is to send transport helicopters in to fast rope troops directly onto the beach?
Please show me anywhere that suggests such suicidal silliness outside of photo ops.
Using helicopters? And dropping off on the actual frontline?
So, first you want helicopters to drops troops onto the beach during the first wave assault, then you want helicopters to pick up troops from the beach after is secured to do more frontal air assaults?
Tell me you are dreaming up scenarios to ‘prove’ the relevance of MANPADs without telling me you are dreaming up scenarios to ‘prove’ the relevance of MANPADs.
Only needed when there is something worth escorting.
Already mentioned, can and will be done at ranges beyond the engagement range of MANPADs. Going in closer is when opfor has no credible ability to threaten your helicopters.
Not from live combat zones.
The only credible example. But it’s a total crapshoot on what the actual scenario will be depending on where the pilot lands.
Why does it have to be done with manned helicopters in the drone age?
After taking the beaches, what need is there for more long range air assaults?
Why does this have to be done by helicopters, and if you want to use helicopters for this, why do they need to get within MANPAD range of the coast to do it?
As if more obvious proof was needed of bad faith discussion than to make up silly straw men arguments.
And when did anyone say the air ops part of a combined arms amphibious assault is easy? The point is MANPADs adds almost nothing to the difficulty for the attacker in such operations because there are already a lot of longer ranged SAMs they will always need to be able to deal with and because of the realities of war in the drone age.
All you seem to want to do is engineer unrealistic scenarios where your precious MANPADs can actually contribute something.
The only one letting their emotions and personal attachments cloud their judgement is you.
There are things Taiwan can do to make amphibious ops harder for the PLA, but doubling down on MANPADs isn’t one of them.
Interestingly bad discussion the last couple pages but it did raise something. I wonder if something old will become new again ... There certainly enough scope for specialised variants and funnies.
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These were short-range unguided rockets launched by a single-use platform. Which was perfectly acceptable for the time, but this is not 1944 anymore. PLAN already from their Zubr LCACs.