PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

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PLA drones flies around Matsu Nangan Airport, disrupt flights for 20 mins. Wanwanese netizens mock DPP and ROC ministry of defense.





I'll google translate the comments for your view pleasure, translated memes aren't as funny or accurate but you'll get some points.




I guess the Chinese meme that netizens of both sides of the strait are a family is true

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“Mainland military drones have anti-interference abilities”.

So if AR breaks out they are just gonna sit there and get bombed? Comforting knowledge.

This article breathlessly praises the air launched SM-6 missile as a game changer in any future fight vs. China. Although I do like that it also acknowledged the tremendous difficulty US forces will face in any Taiwan scenario. China's missiles are world class. So is the air launched SM-6 really going to change things?

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This article breathlessly praises the air launched SM-6 missile as a game changer in any future fight vs. China. Although I do like that it also acknowledged the tremendous difficulty US forces will face in any Taiwan scenario. China's missiles are world class. So is the air launched SM-6 really going to change things?

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The US is already in a Nazi German/Imperial Japan strategic position on multiple levels, which is also why they've been promoting such 'wunderwaffen' so aggressively, but China is now in the position to not only match and counter whatever the US fields but also to far exceed them in arms production to the extent that only the WWII US itself could even come close to equivalence.

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This article breathlessly praises the air launched SM-6 missile as a game changer in any future fight vs. China. Although I do like that it also acknowledged the tremendous difficulty US forces will face in any Taiwan scenario. China's missiles are world class. So is the air launched SM-6 really going to change things?

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I mean, it's a good idea but not a new one. The AIM-54 was a thing during the Cold War, as the article mentions. And the PLAAF developed the PL-17 and PL-21 to perform similar roles. The concept is sound.

It will change things if utilized well in the context of many coordinated platforms across large battlespace. Which can be said about every munition, more or less. There are way too many factors in play for this to tip the scales on its own.

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This article breathlessly praises the air launched SM-6 missile as a game changer in any future fight vs. China. Although I do like that it also acknowledged the tremendous difficulty US forces will face in any Taiwan scenario. China's missiles are world class. So is the air launched SM-6 really going to change things?

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Typical degeneracy from that retard. Talks like this thing has a 1000km range. I don't even see any firm reason to believe range exceeds the surface launched version because the altitude and velocity imparted by the first stage booster is quite substantial.

The biggest benefit I see to this is extending the launch point, i.e. adding the fighter's combat radius to the SM-6s range, compared to a launch from ship VLS in the CSG. As well as potentially providing a little bit of an airborne terminal BMD umbrella.

Honestly though the amount of circlejerking and celebration over an improvised "redneck missile" like this speaks volumes about just how poor of a predicament the US has fallen to.

ismellcopium said:

Typical degeneracy from that retard. Talks like this thing has a 1000km range. I don't even see any firm reason to believe range exceeds the surface launched version because the altitude and velocity imparted by the first stage booster is quite substantial.

The biggest benefit I see to this is extending the launch point, i.e. adding the fighter's combat radius to the SM-6s range, compared to a launch from ship VLS in the CSG. As well as potentially providing a little bit of an airborne terminal BMD umbrella.

Honestly though the amount of circlejerking and celebration over an improvised "redneck missile" like this speaks volumes about just how poor of a predicament the US has fallen to.

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Indeed, as I've mentioned before it's basically a modern day version of the 1970's AIM-97 Seekbat missile that itself was a derivative of the Standard missile, so wouldn't be surprised to see more retreads of Cold War era arms developments popping up.

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This article breathlessly praises the air launched SM-6 missile as a game changer in any future fight vs. China. Although I do like that it also acknowledged the tremendous difficulty US forces will face in any Taiwan scenario. China's missiles are world class. So is the air launched SM-6 really going to change things?

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Advertisement from the arms manufacturers. Pretty common and profit oriented.

We have seen many game changers ( example LCS, Boeing Starliner etc) that did not performed up to their advertisement. Not saying SM-6 is not good. It is a good missile system and work better than its predeccesors but is it as good as advertised as a game changer?

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This article breathlessly praises the air launched SM-6 missile as a game changer in any future fight vs. China. Although I do like that it also acknowledged the tremendous difficulty US forces will face in any Taiwan scenario. China's missiles are world class. So is the air launched SM-6 really going to change things?

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If China did this they would absolutely be claiming China cannot innovate.

Speaking of China, these Americans have no idea about Chinese SAM capabilities at all if they think strapping SAMs to aircraft will give them any sort of advantage against China. Because if this works remotely as well as they are wet dreaming, the PLAAF will get a far bigger boost doing the same with PLA SAMs.

plawolf said:

If China did this they would absolutely be claiming China cannot innovate.

Speaking of China, these Americans have no idea about Chinese SAM capabilities at all if they think strapping SAMs to aircraft will give them any sort of advantage against China. Because if this works remotely as well as they are wet dreaming, the PLAAF will get a far bigger boost doing the same with PLA SAMs.

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Chinese long range SAMs that can fit on existing fighter fleet is HQ-16. Which is 5m in length iirc and the longest ranged one is around 70km claimed. Let's suppose it is 100km due to HQ-16 range being understated especially considering its size and suppose you can even double that range when firing high altitude and high speed, that's barely better than a PL-15. (Which is partly why I'm convinced the latest HQ-16 variant far exceeds the claimed 70km range).

HQ-22 might be a better missile to convert but that's about 3x the volume of PL-15 and definitely not over 600km in range when fired in that airborne position.

The SM-6 is a good missile. It's one of the US best SAMs. For its size and range, it must be using the best energetics available. Contrast to HQ-16C with a claimed 70km despite being almost as massive as a SM-6 with booster. That's less than half the range (as claimed).

I think the US went with a cost saver route with this conversion. Albeit it must be said that this is a good missile to convert. China has had the funds to develop optimised AAMs from the ground up as opposed to retrofitting a SAM onto a fighter. ALBMs though... well that's a different user case lol.

plawolf said:

If China did this they would absolutely be claiming China cannot innovate.

Speaking of China, these Americans have no idea about Chinese SAM capabilities at all if they think strapping SAMs to aircraft will give them any sort of advantage against China. Because if this works remotely as well as they are wet dreaming, the PLAAF will get a far bigger boost doing the same with PLA SAMs.

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Don’t get me wrong, I think that this is a smart implementation and fills an important gap in USN capabilities. But the same type of people hailing it as some sort of AAM second coming most likely crapped on Iranians for strapping modified HAWK SAMs to their F-14s.