PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

zhangjim

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Now Chinese fishermen are getting killed off of the Kinmen coast.

Ignoring provocations just invites greater provocations.

Of course, there are more state-state relations lined up too, with no response expected:

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The government has only done two things now: protesting and restricting news dissemination.
Americans can be a bit bolder.The fact proves that their opponents are essentially cowardly and incompetent.
The beneficiaries of the current international order clearly lack the willingness to change the status quo, and they will only pretend that things have never happened.
They don't care about us at all.
We are just chips that can be used and discarded at will. They incite emotions when they need us, and ignore the death of citizens when they don't need us.Their game takes us as pawns, but it is us who give our lives.

How much does an ordinary person have to pay for that goal that is always on the horizon? What is the fundamental difference between such a regime and Americans?
Even with a strong navy and maritime police, if the leadership lacks a sense of responsibility, it is just scrap metal.
 

montyp165

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The government has only done two things now: protesting and restricting news dissemination.
Americans can be a bit bolder.The fact proves that their opponents are essentially cowardly and incompetent.
The beneficiaries of the current international order clearly lack the willingness to change the status quo, and they will only pretend that things have never happened.
They don't care about us at all.
We are just chips that can be used and discarded at will. They incite emotions when they need us, and ignore the death of citizens when they don't need us.Their game takes us as pawns, but it is us who give our lives.

How much does an ordinary person have to pay for that goal that is always on the horizon? What is the fundamental difference between such a regime and Americans?
Even with a strong navy and maritime police, if the leadership lacks a sense of responsibility, it is just scrap metal.
The US will start a conflict by next year given the convergence of circumstances, so it is something that is already going to happen regardless and of which using the remaining time to build up capacity for that event is the prudent course of action for China, for once that conflict starts it will not stop until the US political order no longer exists.
 

zhangjim

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The US will start a conflict by next year given the convergence of circumstances, so it is something that is already going to happen regardless and of which using the remaining time to build up capacity for that event is the prudent course of action for China, for once that conflict starts it will not stop until the US political order no longer exists.
The premise is that they really plan to prepare.
As I mentioned a few days ago, the development of the situation will not go in the direction expected by those "big shots". No one is willing to maintain the status quo, even if we don't act, the enemy will act.

Taiwanese are not stupid, they have a profound understanding of our policies and decision-making psychology. So they dare to engage in such intense provocation.
Some people think I am radical, but the true radicals are calling for either landing or civil war (regime change).
 

Bellum_Romanum

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The government has only done two things now: protesting and restricting news dissemination.
Americans can be a bit bolder.The fact proves that their opponents are essentially cowardly and incompetent.
The beneficiaries of the current international order clearly lack the willingness to change the status quo, and they will only pretend that things have never happened.
They don't care about us at all.
We are just chips that can be used and discarded at will. They incite emotions when they need us, and ignore the death of citizens when they don't need us.Their game takes us as pawns, but it is us who give our lives.

How much does an ordinary person have to pay for that goal that is always on the horizon? What is the fundamental difference between such a regime and Americans?
Even with a strong navy and maritime police, if the leadership lacks a sense of responsibility, it is just scrap metal.
What would you have preferred the government to do in this situation? Retaliate in kind? And the next thing is essentially war at your doorstep. Which would entail countless Chinese lives (Taiwanese are Chinese too). We can't let our emotions be guided by misguided idea that's have an emotional appeal but not the foresight to see the catastrophe that awaits.

You are really TOO NEGATIVE OF THE COUNTRY despite its achievements.
 

zhangjim

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What would you have preferred the government to do in this situation? Retaliate in kind? And the next thing is essentially war at your doorstep. Which would entail countless Chinese lives (Taiwanese are Chinese too). We can't let our emotions be guided by misguided idea that's have an emotional appeal but not the foresight to see the catastrophe that awaits.

You are really TOO NEGATIVE OF THE COUNTRY despite its achievements.
The official online media's attitude towards this matter is to "close comments".
What do I expect them to do? They don't even allow us to complain to them.

How do you make me believe them? They will eventually burn themselves to death for playing with fire. That lofty person is just a tyrant who is greedy for power,DPP mercilessly exposed the essence of their biggest opponent: timidity, bravado, and ruthlessness towards the people.
Addendum: War will cause many people to die, but even without war, people will still lose their lives due to concessions. Our enemies are still excitedly humiliating us.
Is there only one future for the Chinese people to endure humiliation forever?
 
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montyp165

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The official online media's attitude towards this matter is to "close comments".
What do I expect them to do? They don't even allow us to complain to them.

How do you make me believe them? They will eventually burn themselves to death for playing with fire. That lofty person is just a tyrant who is greedy for power,DPP mercilessly exposed the essence of their biggest opponent: timidity, bravado, and ruthlessness towards the people.
Addendum: War will cause many people to die, but even without war, people will still lose their lives due to concessions. Our enemies are still excitedly humiliating us.
Is there only one future for the Chinese people to endure humiliation forever?
I've been observing and studying the flow of political events since the late Cold War era, and out of all the actions and events that have played out over the past 4 decades only China's responses and developments have ever matched or exceeded my own expectations on things (especially when compared to their erstwhile opponents such as the Anglosphere nations, Japan et al), that is why I have no doubt as to how China will act when the day of decision arrives. That is also why naysayers (especially those that claim to be aligned with Chinese interests) are no different than counterrevolutionaries in terms of impeding Chinese preparedness for the inevitable conflict. China will act decisively at the critical moment, as it has always done under CPC leadership.
 

siegecrossbow

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I've been observing and studying the flow of political events since the late Cold War era, and out of all the actions and events that have played out over the past 4 decades only China's responses and developments have ever matched or exceeded my own expectations on things (especially when compared to their erstwhile opponents such as the Anglosphere nations, Japan et al), that is why I have no doubt as to how China will act when the day of decision arrives. That is also why naysayers (especially those that claim to be aligned with Chinese interests) are no different than counterrevolutionaries in terms of impeding Chinese preparedness for the inevitable conflict. China will act decisively at the critical moment, as it has always done under CPC leadership.

I think it has to do with the advent of Information Age where nothing can be kept under wraps for long even with pervasive censorship. The average citizen can go easily from “wow we are chads” for busting Myanmar scammer gangs to “wow we are virgins” for sailors getting killed by Taiwanese Coast Guard. But if, let’s say, a PLAN destroyer caused a tailing Taiwanese frigate to run aground they’ll go back to “tired of winning” mode.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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The official online media's attitude towards this matter is to "close comments".
What do I expect them to do? They don't even allow us to complain to them.

How do you make me believe them? They will eventually burn themselves to death for playing with fire. That lofty person is just a tyrant who is greedy for power,DPP mercilessly exposed the essence of their biggest opponent: timidity, bravado, and ruthlessness towards the people.
Addendum: War will cause many people to die, but even without war, people will still lose their lives due to concessions. Our enemies are still excitedly humiliating us.
Is there only one future for the Chinese people to endure humiliation forever?
In my opinion people like you who seems to suggest that "YOUR VOICE, and OPINION" should be given more credence and therefore legitimacy is a recipe to disaster. What have you done in your life ergo accomplishments to warrant that what you're suggesting which is essentially fighting must be given a hearing? How can your fellow Chinese people adopt your stances along with your like minded ilk when what you're saying and has expressed don't much the majority of feelings, opinions, sentiments, and facts on the ground in China.

Have you ever even been in a physical fight with someone your similar size, or bigger than you? and where successful in beating the living daylights out of your opponents into submission? If not, why not?

On some human level, and of Chinese blood, I feel your frustration, anguish, and the thinking that its leadership are all talk but not cattle. They talk tough but can't nor won't back up their rhetoric with real concrete actions. What those actions are short of war is beyond my capacity to imagine or even comprehend.

But, China has been through many wars and destruction, disintegration, and dismemberment of political dynasties along with it the millions of people loss as its severe consequence.

Right now, the living condition, the material condition of China has vastly improved, and is improving to the levels never been before experienced by the Chinese people. And you are willing to throw that away to satiate your frustration and perhaps passion to inflict pain and misery to the people and entity that are themselves Chinese and part of China which is Taiwan, and for what? due to a perceived and real insults? F...k that. Go ask the people in Gaza, Palestine what they think or feel with respect to their current situation and the many lives that have lost from their current conflict and years upon years of being under the yoke of their demigod neighbor I shall not name. They were and are brave; passionate to boot regarding their desire and belief to exact revenge, vengeance not just from the insult of living under an apartheid state and condition, but are they winning? If losing thousands of their women and children which means essentially losing their future progenies then what's the point in all of their "valor and bravery" when they're all dead? Those people would gladly trade their lot in life with you anytime, any day of the week 24/7, 365. They can at least live in comfort and CONFIDENCE that being Chinese in China will not get you killed, bomb into oblivion, house dispossessed, be discriminated and treated as a subhuman in your own land from another country and people with impunity.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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For a fact, the China Coast Guard (CCG) definitely needs more and larger cutters and patrol vessels, both manned and optionally-manned/unmanned. Hudong-Zhonghua and Huangpu-Wenchong should be kept busy for quite a long while going forward.

IIRC, pop3 did mention that we can expect hundreds of unmanned boats and ships to patrol the islands and waters in the ECS and SCS in the foreseeable future, so there's something to look forward to.

In the meantime, it's time to not just normalize, but also intensify CCG patrols around the ROC-held outlying islands (if that hasn't happen already). Make sure that the residents on those islands see those CCG boats circling their islands in the distance like how they eat breakfast everyday.
 
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RedMetalSeadramon

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The government has only done two things now: protesting and restricting news dissemination.
Americans can be a bit bolder.The fact proves that their opponents are essentially cowardly and incompetent.
The beneficiaries of the current international order clearly lack the willingness to change the status quo, and they will only pretend that things have never happened.
They don't care about us at all.
We are just chips that can be used and discarded at will. They incite emotions when they need us, and ignore the death of citizens when they don't need us.Their game takes us as pawns, but it is us who give our lives.

How much does an ordinary person have to pay for that goal that is always on the horizon? What is the fundamental difference between such a regime and Americans?
Even with a strong navy and maritime police, if the leadership lacks a sense of responsibility, it is just scrap metal.
This is selfishness. Reunification does not happen at whims of your pride and humiliation, it must happen carefully as a result of preparation and material circumstance. Are you suggesting we immediately begin reunification because you feel humiliated? Even Indians are not dumb enough to start a war after we smashed 20 of their heads in.

Reunification begins when there's enough helicopters and cargo, when there's enough landing crafts, when there's enough warheads to deter the Americans, when there's enough drones to watch every sector. Pride and humiliations are not factors.
 
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