PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

sr338

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2035 is the year I think that China will comfortably surpass America in nominal GDP and military as well as self producing great chips altogether. Year of great confidence.

If China plans anything kinetic, I would wait until 2035. 2040-2045 is even better. In the meantime, it could do military plane flyover to Taiwan. but dont start anything kinetic.
Nominal GDP is mostly based on finance. Energy consumption by country is a much better indicator of industrial strenght and the size of the economy.
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You've summarized precisely the US's fantasy in these technological restrictions on China. They believe that China will never be able to recreate its own semiconductor supply chain, and even if it could, it would take several decades. I consider this nonsense, but there is still merit in considering one's options in worst case scenarios, even if such scenarios have infinitesimal probabilities.
What policymakers in Washington believe should not be confused with what those policymakers want people to believe. While none of us are aware of Washington's actual strategy and motivations, I doubt that anyone in Washington actually believes that the US can suppress China's technological advancement for any meaningful amount of time. In fact, I believe American policies are in fact a response to the realization that Chinese technological independence is an inevitability, and the economic consequences of no longer being able to dominate the high tech market globally.

US actions immediately preceding the chip sanctions reveal its true intentions, preventing Chinese tech companies from taking over traditionally US dominated markets (ie Huawei in telecommunications and consumer electronic devices). However, as the US had no alternatives ready that it could supply to those markets, it needed to buy time to give US controlled companies the time to catch up. The US economy relies on bringing in money via profits and investment from overseas markets in order to prop up an otherwise relatively uncompetitive economy. By delaying Chinese competition for a time, the US hopes it will have time to exert sufficient influence and coercion on countries within its traditional markets in order to continue maintaining its current economic system, and in order to develop alternatives to Chinese technological products that it would need to be able to offer to those nations. The narrative spun by the US is part of its influence/coercion campaign. After all, the US simply cannot tell those countries, "We need the money so we can continue to be rich, so don't buy Chinese alternatives."


2035 is the year I think that China will comfortably surpass America in nominal GDP and military as well as self producing great chips altogether. Year of great confidence.

If China plans anything kinetic, I would wait until 2035. 2040-2045 is even better. In the meantime, it could do military plane flyover to Taiwan. but dont start anything kinetic.

Nominal GDP is a meaningless statistic, and China should not plan to proactively start anything kinetic regardless.
 
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tphuang

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One of the lessons we learned from Ukraine is that throwing the first punch doesn't always end the fight, especially if we're talking about two juggernaut size opponents.
I beg to differ. Losing the entire 7th fleet + all the bases with 2IC + all of JSDF would basically handicap US military to a fight where they have to deal with tyranny of long distance.

the idea that US military would want that is quite amusing
 

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I beg to differ. Losing the entire 7th fleet + all the bases with 2IC + all of JSDF would basically handicap US military to a fight where they have to deal with tyranny of long distance.

the idea that US military would want that is quite amusing

What I find more amusing is that you think wars will go the way you predict.

Lavrov said on the first day of the invasion that Ukraine's air defenses have been completely neutralized.
 

james smith esq

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I beg to differ. Losing the entire 7th fleet + all the bases with 2IC + all of JSDF would basically handicap US military to a fight where they have to deal with tyranny of long distance.

the idea that US military would want that is quite amusing
Losing those assets/capabilities would end the war!
 

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What I find more amusing is that you think wars will go the way you predict.

Lavrov said on the first day of the invasion that Ukraine's air defenses have been completely neutralized.
It's best that you go back and read these things. US military's biggest concern is that China normalizes military maneuvers around Taiwan, which would make it next to impossible for them to predict when a real attack would happen. There are tremendous advantages to firing the first shot. Which is why if PLA does decide to go forward with a conflict, it would be foolish to not launch the first attack. It would significantly improve their chances. Which is why us military would not want that. Why even the stupid politicians would not want that. But if you keep on insisting that us military wants to hurt their own chances, then there is no point for me to keep discussing this.
 

james smith esq

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It's best that you go back and read these things. US military's biggest concern is that China normalizes military maneuvers around Taiwan, which would make it next to impossible for them to predict when a real attack would happen. There are tremendous advantages to firing the first shot. Which is why if PLA does decide to go forward with a conflict, it would be foolish to not launch the first attack. It would significantly improve their chances. Which is why us military would not want that. Why even the stupid politicians would not want that. But if you keep on insisting that us military wants to hurt their own chances, then there is no point for me to keep discussing this.
Pre-emptive strike!
However, the politics of your targets are tricky.
It would have to be an extremely intense politico/economic environment to provoke/justify that gambit.
Idiot Biden might help us get there, if he keeps making statements like the one he made, today!
 
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james smith esq

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[...]. Seriously, all the Chinese in this thread seem still scared to fight the USA. The USA is your opponent, you need to learn to face your actual Enemy.
Also, if nuke didn't exist, today's China would a** r*** the USA any days. The disparity in industrial capacity is just too great.
I think the deference exhibited, and patience advocated, by some, here, is based more in their own financial interests than in any ‘loyalty’ to a Chinese national agenda. They make money regardless of U. S. hegemonic domination, and, maybe, even because of it.
 
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