PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

FriedButter

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For starters, it immediately puts pressure on China, at a time when China isn't optimized to intervene militarily yet. If the US deployed tactical nukes in Taiwan today do you think China would militarily intervene ASAP? I have my doubts, the earliest is after the 20th national congress. Can China still move at its own timeline and stand the domestic political pressure for a few years?

Yes. The credibility and legitimacy of the CCP will be on the line here. They will be forced to militarily intervene. Do you think China will have an option to back down under increasing nationalism and hardliners taking over? Try convincing the Americans that they shouldn’t retaliate as a result of 9/11 and see how well that works out for you.

Third, it is in the US benefit to escalate China's reunification to the nuclear level, this is because this is one of the few areas where the US still has an advantage over China. Rising the stakes over a regional or global nuclear conflict can deter or delay China's military operation to reunite Taiwan.

China doesn’t need to be on purity with the US on nuclear weapons. They only need the capability to sufficiently strike the US enough times on economic/military targets and even the inaccurate hypersonic glide vehicle will do. In a nuclear war, where China and US destroys or cripples each other then do you think the Americans will let the Russians stay alive? This is high stakes gambling where China is forced to go “all or nothing” and all other nuclear powers get dragged in.

I don't see why many in this thread are dismissive about the possible scenario of US deploying tactical nukes to Taiwan. Isn't the whole point of this thread to discuss PLA strategies regarding Taiwan? I don't see why this must be limited to conventional weapons.

What is there to discuss? If China doesn’t intervene then it implodes and if China does intervene then as previously discussed on conventional warfare until someone decides to use a nuclear missile, which will lead to all hell breaking loose. There is no option for China to backdown or even delay for time under such aggression.
 

coolgod

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In addition Taiwan is well within boost phase interception range but all Chinese missile launchers are far out of boost phase interception range for US and Taiwan. A few depressed trajectory SLBM or IRBM would wipe out the relevant military targets with no recourse.

China also recently tested a midcourse interceptor. This is the 3rd successful test in a row.

So in short, a large but not overwhelming disarming first strike would eliminate the threat quite easily, with plenty of strategic missiles held in reserve.
Are you suggesting that in the case US deploys tactical nukes on Taiwan, China should automatically escalate to a regional nuclear fight or a global nuclear fight (i.e. nukes targeting US mainland)?

If it is the former, China loses since Taiwan would be nuked (either by China via retaliation, or US via nuclear mines), unless you agree with Coalescence's idea that this trade-off is acceptable for reunification.

If it is the latter, which many in this thread seem to agree, then the US unilaterally changed the Taiwan reunification into a Taiwan hostage for global nuclear war. The replies I've seen seem to suggest the US won't do this since it may not be in their favour, but I don't think the PLA rules this scenario out. Hence the PLA might wait until China achieves nuclear parity with the US before attempting to reunify with Taiwan.

Yes. The credibility and legitimacy of the CCP will be on the line here. They will be forced to militarily intervene. Do you think China will have an option to back down under increasing nationalism and hardliners taking over? Try convincing the Americans that they shouldn’t retaliate as a result of 9/11 and see how well that works out for you.

What is there to discuss? If China doesn’t intervene then it implodes and if China does intervene then as previously discussed on conventional warfare until someone decides to use a nuclear missile, which will lead to all hell breaking loose. There is no option for China to backdown or even delay for time under such aggression.
I think you take the credibility and legitimacy of the CCP too seriously regarding the Taiwan problem. The US has escalated countless times via salami slicing and I've yet to see China launch a military operation. I think there is a good chance if such a scenario happened today China would not launch a military operation, but rather use diplomacy to get US to back down. China doesn't want the US to mess up China's own plans.
 

FriedButter

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I think you take the credibility and legitimacy of the CCP too seriously regarding the Taiwan problem.

You really think public confidences in the CCP won’t be undermine if China give up Taiwan? China backs down under US threat and then China global influence, relations, and economic standing gets instantly shattered as everyone runs back to side with NATO.

The US has escalated countless times via salami slicing and I've yet to see China launch a military operation. I think there is a good chance if such a scenario happened today China would not launch a military operation, but rather use diplomacy to get US to back down. China doesn't want the US to mess up China's own plans.

So you are banking your theory that China won’t response if the US continue salami slicing closer and closer to the red line. China own plan is obliterated if they back down. It will already be messed up if the US gives Taiwan nukes.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Are you suggesting that in the case US deploys tactical nukes on Taiwan, China should automatically escalate to a regional nuclear fight or a global nuclear fight (i.e. nukes targeting US mainland)?

If it is the former, China loses since Taiwan would be nuked (either by China via retaliation, or US via nuclear mines), unless you agree with Coalescence's idea that this trade-off is acceptable for reunification.

If it is the latter, which many in this thread seem to agree, then the US unilaterally changed the Taiwan reunification into a Taiwan hostage for global nuclear war. The replies I've seen seem to suggest the US won't do this since it may not be in their favour, but I don't think the PLA rules this scenario out. Hence the PLA might wait until China achieves nuclear parity with the US before attempting to reunify with Taiwan.


I think you take the credibility and legitimacy of the CCP too seriously regarding the Taiwan problem. The US has escalated countless times via salami slicing and I've yet to see China launch a military operation. I think there is a good chance if such a scenario happened today China would not launch a military operation, but rather use diplomacy to get US to back down. China doesn't want the US to mess up China's own plans.
A regional conflict is not so bad. The importance of Taiwan is to deny it to the enemy, eliminate the remnants of colonialism and operate a port on the eastern shore. None of those requires Taiwan to be intact or even self sufficiently habitable.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Are you suggesting that in the case US deploys tactical nukes on Taiwan, China should automatically escalate to a regional nuclear fight or a global nuclear fight (i.e. nukes targeting US mainland)?

If it is the former, China loses since Taiwan would be nuked (either by China via retaliation, or US via nuclear mines), unless you agree with Coalescence's idea that this trade-off is acceptable for reunification.

If it is the latter, which many in this thread seem to agree, then the US unilaterally changed the Taiwan reunification into a Taiwan hostage for global nuclear war. The replies I've seen seem to suggest the US won't do this since it may not be in their favour, but I don't think the PLA rules this scenario out. Hence the PLA might wait until China achieves nuclear parity with the US before attempting to reunify with Taiwan.


I think you take the credibility and legitimacy of the CCP too seriously regarding the Taiwan problem. The US has escalated countless times via salami slicing and I've yet to see China launch a military operation. I think there is a good chance if such a scenario happened today China would not launch a military operation, but rather use diplomacy to get US to back down. China doesn't want the US to mess up China's own plans.

I cannot tell if you are genuinely this naive or just trolling.

There is a fundamental difference between annoying but ultimately pointless salami slicing provocations and utterly trashing the biggest red line there is.

The whole point of salami slicing is to pick stupid idiotic things so petty and small that it would be too ridiculous to start an actual war over, because newsflash, the US is in no shape or position to start a hot war with China on China’s doorstep.

If America places nukes on Taiwan, that means war and even the most brainwashed westerner will know who is responsible.

Any use of such nukes will be seen as a nuclear first strike by the US against China and China will respond with nukes in turn.

The whole point of nuclear blackmail is to try to blackmail China into backing down without using nukes. Because once nukes start flying between nuclear armed states, its almost inevitable that it will lead to full global MAD. If America didn’t believe that and/or just wanted to nuke China, it could just launch a full first strike if it was that stupid and wanted to roll the dice. Putting nukes on Taiwan adds nothing for America and instead looses them a huge amount.

To be honest, putting nukes on Taiwan is just about the most moronic thing the US can do right now. Because doing so gives China the perfect bullet proof reason it needs for full armed reunification that most Americans themselves will agree with if they were honest with themselves.

It also gives China so many easy low hanging fruit to pick to massively weaken America’s position without needing to fire a single shot.

For starters, China can use the deployment of nukes on Taiwan as evidence that America cannot be trusted with what it does and keeps in its military bases in Asia and a simple announcement will be made - all US bases in the world are hereby assumed to be hosting nukes and as such subject to Chinese retaliatory nuclear second strike should a mushroom cloud ever go up. See how quickly America’s global military bases network disappears. Especially in Asia.

Secondly, this development gives China tools and options it would have never before expected to have. Namely, the luxury of time to mount a total naval and air blockade under the pretext of stopping more US nukes coming in.

Nothing goes in or out of Taiwan. Anymore that tries to breach the blockage will be intercepted and detained or shot down if they fail to comply.

In the meantime, China will hit America with full sanctions up to and including ending all trade to give corporate and ordinary America a little taster what war with China actually will mean to their personal way of life immediately and for the foreseeable future.

All of that will materially weaken both America and Taiwan’s willingness and ability to fight China without needing to fire a single shot; and it will only end with the total and unconditional surrender of the Taiwan regime and with the PLA physically taking control of every military facility on Taiwan to ensure the nuclear threat is neutralised.

Congratulations comrade, you just handed China the best of all worlds result in the form of peaceful reunification but without needing Beijing to make any compromises on post reunification governance.
 

yungho

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我只是想说我非常赞同你的看法。我只不过是刚刚注册了账号,但粗略浏览了你的帖子和别人的回复之后,我发现这论坛的大多数人都亲共到失去理智的程度,把党当作什么无懈可击的yyds,根本不想接受暗示中共有任何问题的说法。很显然这种态度对于真正地了解中国社会、政治及国情是适得其反的。


我觉得这是最关键的问题。中华人民共和国宪法的第一条就是:“中华人民共和国是工人阶级领导的、以工农联盟为基础的人民民主专政的社会主义国家”。在台湾问题上中共是说一套做一套,说要实现社会主义制度,但却偏袒台湾商人和资本家。更可笑的是对台优惠政策的受益人可以在任何时候翻脸,以反共为借口来煽动反中情绪以掩盖自己在治理上的无能。难道我们从香港事件没有吸取任何教训吗?

顺便问一下,可以推荐值得关注的关于军事、政治的中文论坛吗?
The party is once again at the crux of the issue. Decades later China is still dealing with the legacy of the Cultural Revolution, 6/4, etc. It's pointless overhead because the China today is not the China of yesterday, but because due to the legacy of communism China still has to wrestle with the problems or 'sins' of the past. Maybe some mainland Chinese can accept them, but will HKers and Taiwanese? I've stated this previously, but if the 'house' is not stable we can forget any adventurism aboard. Any country has domestic issues, but can how any of them be talked about or addressed with the communists in power?

The structure of governance is fine, but the power and restrictions of the central government scare away any hope of peaceful reunification. More importantly the legacy of the mistakes in the past linger on.

For politics, it is barren.. Either you '亲共' or you hate yourself lol.
 

zhangjim

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The party is once again at the crux of the issue. Decades later China is still dealing with the legacy of the Cultural Revolution, 6/4, etc. It's pointless overhead because the China today is not the China of yesterday, but because due to the legacy of communism China still has to wrestle with the problems or 'sins' of the past. Maybe some mainland Chinese can accept them, but will HKers and Taiwanese? I've stated this previously, but if the 'house' is not stable we can forget any adventurism aboard. Any country has domestic issues, but can how any of them be talked about or addressed with the communists in power?
Things may be a little different from what you think,but elaborating on them requires a full page column.The reason is simply stated: not because of any past "sins", but because of the abandonment of a series of important principles that were originally upheld.
The need for economic development and the choice of indirect rule that severed the ties between the two regions undoubtedly brought a lot of problems later, and only now began to gradually purge the impact of colonialism is actually a little late.
The wrong practice of abandoning workers and choosing to cooperate with capitalists is still creating a crisis.
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The British are simply showing loyalty to the United States.
Besides the Americans, how many NATO ships can come is a question.

But politically, this is a dangerous signal: NATO is trying to turn itself into a global interventionist organization,“develop closer economic and diplomatic ties with Taiwan”,it seems we can see the countdown to the war.

Maybe they will use American military bases to participate in the war.Moreover, NATO's military protection is an irresistible temptation for the Taiwanese people.

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In addition, in this TV program, they are discussing the possibility of using naval mines to block Chinese Mainland.But this reminds us that naval mines are indeed suitable for blocking Taiwan's ports
 
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yungho

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Things may be a little different from what you think,but elaborating on them requires a full page column.The reason is simply stated: not because of any past "sins", but because of the abandonment of a series of important principles that were originally upheld.
The need for economic development and the choice of indirect rule that severed the ties between the two regions undoubtedly brought a lot of problems later, and only now began to gradually purge the impact of colonialism is actually a little late.
The wrong practice of abandoning workers and choosing to cooperate with capitalists is still creating a crisis.
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I think we should talk about something else.
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The British are simply showing loyalty to the United States.
Besides the Americans, how many NATO ships can come is a question.

But politically, this is a dangerous signal: NATO is trying to turn itself into a global interventionist organization,“develop closer economic and diplomatic ties with Taiwan”,it seems we can see the countdown to the war.

Maybe they will use American military bases to participate in the war.Moreover, NATO's military protection is an irresistible temptation for the Taiwanese people.

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In addition, in this TV program, they are discussing the possibility of using naval mines to block Chinese Mainland.But this reminds us that naval mines are indeed suitable for blocking Taiwan's ports
Who is satisfied with the current political situation? Workers are unhappy for various reasons and the capitalists are unhappy due to the increasing restrictions and souring global mood. No side gains from the current policies from this awkward middle ground.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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The party is once again at the crux of the issue. Decades later China is still dealing with the legacy of the Cultural Revolution, 6/4, etc. It's pointless overhead because the China today is not the China of yesterday, but because due to the legacy of communism China still has to wrestle with the problems or 'sins' of the past. Maybe some mainland Chinese can accept them, but will HKers and Taiwanese? I've stated this previously, but if the 'house' is not stable we can forget any adventurism aboard. Any country has domestic issues, but can how any of them be talked about or addressed with the communists in power?

The structure of governance is fine, but the power and restrictions of the central government scare away any hope of peaceful reunification. More importantly the legacy of the mistakes in the past linger on.

For politics, it is barren.. Either you '亲共' or you hate yourself lol.
China is not dealing with the legacy of the Cultural Revolution, 6/4, etc. Proof: no current policy recommendation or indeed any policy recommendation for 20+ years, ever cites these events as a consideration or contributing factor. No influence on policy = not dealing with the legacy anymore. Certain individuals are dealing with that legacy. The rest of society has left them behind and doesn't think much about this ancient history. Those who struggle with the legacy of these events have not been left behind because of the cruelty of society, but because they refuse to step forward. They are offered so much help. All they have to do is but place one foot in front of the other. But since they refuse, what can anyone do? Even horses can only be led to water, you can't force them to drink, much less a human.

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They are currently being repressed with an iron fist to great applause and will
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Indeed, you mention Hong Kongers as maybe not accepting the problems, but in fact, they've accepted. The minute the national security law was passed, all rioting ended immediately. Note, this has nothing to do with the law itself. If it was so easy to stop insurgents and rioters with a law, then US should've won easily in Afghanistan since the Taliban was illegal. A law only works if it is accepted - and from the end results it is clear, Hong Kongers have accepted.
 
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