This is a model gun for training
PLA Small arms
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To be honest, I don't get why PLA didn't choose CS/LR17H instead of QBZ-191.
The design has a fixed side charging handle (I believe it's rumored to be a requirement for the tender), but also a folding stock unlike the QBZ-191 family.
And I'd bet it's a further development of the QBZ-03 gun, so the action itself should be foolproof.
Someone high up must have liked the M4 with the buffer tube. However, I still believe an AR version of the CS/LS7 would've been the better choice.
It has it all. An ambidextrous non-reciprocating charging handle, AK style mag release with a mag well, a bolt hold open and left side bolt release, easy disassembly, a folding stock/collapse stock option / very modular and sleek design.
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Dummy guns for marching drill training, nothing more.
Those specimen lacking details/markings that'd be found on real deal.
Hmmm... That sounds interesting as well, though the gucci gear fanboy in me would want the charging handle to be able to do light forward assist work as well (CZ Bren 2/3 & FN SCAR NRCH implementations came to mind).
Bolt release wise, MSBS Grot, CZ Bren 2/3, and HK 433 Implementations are all interesting. Or if one desires more AR style ambi bolt release, just put a PDQ lever cut in the lower.
I'm also toying with the idea for barrel change system, preferably one that doesn't need tons of screws to work. I'd say inverted PKM barrel change system where you pull a locking block to remove barrel should be workable & be relatively reliable. Just hide it under the handguard and you'll be good to go.
Upper & handguard design wise, I'm really attracted to MSBS Grot implementation, which gives you efficient manufacturability, solid upper rail, and quick remove handguard that still holds zero while allowing the barrel to be free floated.
Man, that's way too gucci for the PLA. That's like 5K USD per rifle there lol.
I never knew about the light forward assist, though doesn't that require a reciprocating handle though? I don't believe we can get that if we are going the nonreciprocating route.
The bolt release on the MSBS is really interesting but I'm expecting a PLA rifle to retain the mag release lever on the bottom. They might even remove the mag well entirely to make it similar to the QBZ 191.
The barrel changing system seems pretty similar to the new Chinese machine gun, I like it but I do wonder how the handguard would work with it.
non-reciprocating charging handle can do forward assist work, what you need is a way to connect the charging handle to BCG when charging and during return stroke, but disconnect it when the bolt is fully in battery.
The common solution on the 2 examples I gave is they both use a spring loaded lever to connect a "shuttle" part, where the charging handle sticks, to the BCG. When charging the gun, the lever connects the shuttle to the BCG.
But when the bolt's fully in battery, the lever contacts a pin/a block to either raise/depress the lever, causing the shuttle to disconnect from BCG. Think of it like bolt release lever on QBZ-191, but instead it's locking the "shuttle" & BCG together during charging & return stroke.
Why use a expensive light HMG on vehicles instead of something heavy and simple?QJZ-171 mounted on the remote weapon station of a Mengshi-III.
