PLA Small arms

ohan_qwe

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Another option is to further increase the chamber pressure of the 5.8mm round along with new propellants, case, and tungsten core bullet. The result could be a 77 grain ammo with an muzzle velocity of 1030mps (mach 3). I totally see China capable to doing this en mass, but that would require the development of a whole new family of assault rifles and SAWs and would unlikely to replace both QBZ-191 and QBZ-95 until well after 2030 (when 6.8mm would become the new standard NATO round).

Nonetheless I totally see 5.8mm caliber being the standard PLA round well unto 2040s, even 2050s. The only question when would the PLA fully retire the Tsarist Russian 7.62x54R (serious, why on Earth did the USSR and China stick to an old rimmed cartridge?).

Didn't China switch over to 7.62x51 NATO for the their latest GPMG and sniper?

Don't know about bullet but a polymer cased round could be a improvement before 2030. Polymer could be the same 5.8x42 in polymer original a specialized case.
Something like this:

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sheen

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Didn't China switch over to 7.62x51 NATO for the their latest GPMG and sniper?

Don't know about bullet but a polymer cased round could be a improvement before 2030. Polymer could be the same 5.8x42 in polymer original a specialized case.
Something like this:

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If I recall, one of the gun YouTube channel tested plastic cased ammo and found them to be quite subpar. I think it was Military Arms Channel. In ways such that the downsides, while not detrimental for usage, were definitely not worth the benefits (if there were even any) to switch to using it. And I think he did mention they were also quite the expensive ammo.

And honestly IMO, better off with just using the good ol' steel cartridges.

Edit: yeah it was this channel
 

Aniah

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If I recall, one of the gun YouTube channel tested plastic cased ammo and found them to be quite subpar. I think it was Military Arms Channel. In ways such that the downsides, while not detrimental for usage, were definitely not worth the benefits (if there were even any) to switch to using it. And I think he did mention they were also quite the expensive ammo.

And honestly IMO, better off with just using the good ol' steel cartridges.

Edit: yeah it was this channel
The main benefits of plastic casings from what I've heard were better cooling and allowing higher pressures. That's why many of them were marked as having higher velocity than standard steel. I haven't watched the video yet but I guess both those didn't go as planned. I will watch it later.
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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Didn't China switch over to 7.62x51 NATO for the their latest GPMG and sniper?

Don't know about bullet but a polymer cased round could be a improvement before 2030. Polymer could be the same 5.8x42 in polymer original a specialized case.
Something like this:

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Yes China switched to 7.62x51 NATO for infantry GPMG and (along with .338 Lapua) snipers. However vehicle mounted coaxial MGs and helicopters still fire 7.62x54R. That’s the case for both the PLAGF, PLA Airborne troops, and PLA Marine Corp. Interestingly, the three services also have a mixture of 30x165mm, 25mm, and 35mm shells for APCs, IFCs, and mobile anti-aircraft artilleries. Therefore, there is indeed a level of logistical challenges to be resolved in the coming years (such as retiring the 25mm and the 7.62x54R, and rechamber the coaxial MGs for 7.62x51 NATO).

As with polymer case cartridges, China (Hunan Ordinance Group) is capable of producing them, but the PLA has yet to award them any contracts.

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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
The main benefits of plastic casings from what I've heard were better cooling and allowing higher pressures. That's why many of them were marked as having higher velocity than standard steel. I haven't watched the video yet but I guess both those didn't go as planned. I will watch it later.
Cooling yes, pressure not really. The pressure loading is mostly taken not by the casing but by the chamber. Most conventional brass or steel ammunition could easily be up pressured but doing so would come at other costs. Reliability, service life, recoil and damage to the weapon are all issues that occur.
It is however not an infinite amount that you could upload. Eventually the cartridge would fail and there is a high probability of the rifle as well.
Most of the benefits of polymer cased ammunition is cost, heat and weight. A polymer intermediate caliber round is 2/3rds the weight of a brass one.
Though Steel and multiple metallic cases can achieve similar weight savings.
There's cased telescoped ammo.

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The US developed it with the LSAT program. It is more compact and lighter.
The problem then is that it’s not backwards compatible with existing weapons nor industry. Which is why despite having been around as a technology since the 1970s it’s never been implemented.
The weapons that tested it were highly sophisticated mechanisms far more so than your average AR18/AR15/AK based rifles that populate the battlefield of the world. Then you add in the industrial base and it becomes an expensive proposition.
 

hsinchong

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Does anyone know this mysterious plate carrier used by the Hong Kong Police?

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