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AssassinsMace

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CQ-10, the Chinese Minimi. The last image shows a different iteration from the same factory.

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Wow I remember buying that exact issue of Combat Arms when I was a younger. I probably still have it in a box somewhere. I think that was the issue where there was an ad for the HK94 carbine that I wanted to buy. It was only $595 back then.
 

Aniah

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Kejora

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So it seems the Russians are also trying to dip their hands into the semi-battle rifle calibers. Makes me wonder if China has any plans for something as well. Probably not. :oops:
Either reviving heavier, longer DBP-88 style bullet with increased pressure like Russia, or adopting US 6.8mm bullet.
 

Fandango831

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So it seems the Russians are also trying to dip their hands into the semi-battle rifle calibers. Makes me wonder if China has any plans for something as well. Probably not. :oops:
Nah, seems more comparable to 6mm ARC considering the projected 500 joules retention at ~900m for a 104gr bullet. In theory 6.02x41 should be a very accurate round (particularly with >16in barrels) at range and retain better kinetics for its mass but it'll still struggle at defeating modern armor plate. From the presser it reads more like Kalash Concern just wants to market a pricey intermediate precision round that is better suited for the SVCh platform and decided why not include a combat rifle in the same caliber. Beyond being a specialty round purchased in limited batches the benefits don't stack enough to warrant wider procurement of something like 6.02x41 for what it's offering on paper (particularly for the average AFRF solider who likely won't/can't make use of the rounds limited benefits anyways).
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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Nah, seems more comparable to 6mm ARC considering the projected 500 joules retention at ~900m for a 104gr bullet. In theory 6.02x41 should be a very accurate round (particularly with >16in barrels) at range and retain better kinetics for its mass but it'll still struggle at defeating modern armor plate. From the presser it reads more like Kalash Concern just wants to market a pricey intermediate precision round that is better suited for the SVCh platform and decided why not include a combat rifle in the same caliber. Beyond being a specialty round purchased in limited batches the benefits don't stack enough to warrant wider procurement of something like 6.02x41 for what it's offering on paper (particularly for the average AFRF solider who likely won't/can't make use of the rounds limited benefits anyways).
Another option is to further increase the chamber pressure of the 5.8mm round along with new propellants, case, and tungsten core bullet. The result could be a 77 grain ammo with an muzzle velocity of 1030mps (mach 3). I totally see China capable to doing this en mass, but that would require the development of a whole new family of assault rifles and SAWs and would unlikely to replace both QBZ-191 and QBZ-95 until well after 2030 (when 6.8mm would become the new standard NATO round).

Nonetheless I totally see 5.8mm caliber being the standard PLA round well unto 2040s, even 2050s. The only question when would the PLA fully retire the Tsarist Russian 7.62x54R (serious, why on Earth did the USSR and China stick to an old rimmed cartridge?).
 

plawolf

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I think lessons from Ukraine will fundamentally shape the medium term development direction of all major militaries around the world. I don’t think anyone from Ukraine is particularly bothered about having magic rounds that can punch through level 4 plate at 400m+ ranges, principally since it would be incredibly rare for line infantry to get an opportunity to even have a crack at targets at that range.

You go plinking away trying to play CoD in real life and you rapidly end up with 2-3 sniper rounds smearing your brains all over the trench.

For long range anti heavy-infantry work, China seems way ahead of the curve with its man-portable mini-missile launchers, since a lot of the time both sides end up using ATGMs at exposed enemy infantry at extended ranges.

The US 6.8 seems the ultimate in fighting-the-last-war silliness, which seems to have been developed after fighting farmers in Afghanistan for a decade and deciding the next war is going to be exactly the same, only opfor is going to be PLA with ballistic plates, but everything else is exactly the same as fighting farmers.
 
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