PLA Next Generation Main Battle Tank

Gloire_bb

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Can current 3rd gen tanks with 120/125mm cannons even reliable destroy such concrete buildings with HE lol?
Suppress/breach? Absolutely, both 105 and 125 will do. Better with smart HE.
Destroy? Highly inefficient, something much more massive is needed. And 'highly' means that something similar to AVRE shell is likely a starting point.
Also, I wouldn't call Eastern Europe especially strong. Any modern prefab reinforced construction is quite likely to be equally or more annoying.
 

alanch90

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Well, if the rumors of this 105 being a very fast autoloaded cannon or even an autocannon similar to the ARES gun is true then I doubt explosive mass per second is going to be an issue with this thing.
Its likely just internet speculation. I don´t see a point in doing something like that.
 

alanch90

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Given how the Type 10 can overclock it’s autoloader to a 3-4 second reload “burst” for a 120mm gun, I don’t see 2 second reloads for this new light tank being completely unfathomable.
Because its unpractical. Whenever you fire your optics will be obstructed by flash, smoke and debris for about 5-7 seconds. Which of course doesn´t happen in videogames so people have this weird obssession for autoloaders to sling shots like they are some kind of machinegun.
It could be that this tank`s 105mm actually doesn´t use the regular format but that would be very surprising because of how inneficient would be to have to set up production capability for a different and incompatible 105mm ammunition wih the 105mm guns they already have in service.
 

Tomboy

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Because its unpractical. Whenever you fire your optics will be obstructed by flash, smoke and debris for about 5-7 seconds. Which of course doesn´t happen in videogames so people have this weird obssession for autoloaders to sling shots like they are some kind of machinegun.
It could be that this tank`s 105mm actually doesn´t use the regular format but that would be very surprising because of how inneficient would be to have to set up production capability for a different and incompatible 105mm ammunition wih the 105mm guns they already have in service.
They will have to make new ammo anyways; this thing is a smoothbore and being constrained by crappy old standards is terrible. The PLA should move on ASAP. Second fast autoloader isn't all that bad considering it takes about a second or so for the dust to clear.

Watch this Abrams fire on a target
 

Amistrophy

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Seriously doubt optics are obscured by barrel flash and dust for that long, especially if the tank is moving. Gun optics are offset and I have no idea where you’re getting the idea that target acquisition can be lost for a full 5-7 seconds after firing… WW2? This is a new gun, very likely firing new ammunition with at least a slightly changed format. I seriously doubt commonality with the old rifled 105 is a top tier concern.
Because its unpractical. Whenever you fire your optics will be obstructed by flash, smoke and debris for about 5-7 seconds. Which of course doesn´t happen in videogames so people have this weird obssession for autoloaders to sling shots like they are some kind of machinegun.
It could be that this tank`s 105mm actually doesn´t use the regular format but that would be very surprising because of how inneficient would be to have to set up production capability for a different and incompatible 105mm ammunition wih the 105mm guns they already have in service.
 

alanch90

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They will have to make new ammo anyways; this thing is a smoothbore
Just wait a few weeks and this will get clarified. I´m just saying that it would make all the sense in the world to keep the traditional 105mm format but with new propellant technology. As for a rotating chamber, thats not compatible with a bustle autoloader which would bring us to what is on the bustle anyway if not the autoloader in question.
 

alanch90

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Seriously doubt optics are obscured by barrel flash and dust for that long, especially if the tank is moving. Gun optics are offset and I have no idea where you’re getting the idea that target acquisition can be lost for a full 5-7 seconds after firing… WW2? This is a new gun, very likely firing new ammunition with at least a slightly changed format. I seriously doubt commonality with the old rifled 105 is a top tier concern.
I´ve watched tons of footage from Ukraine and Gaza. I´ve seen optics obscured for far longer in practice and here we are talking tanks with some of the best FCS out there.
 
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