PLA Next Generation Main Battle Tank

tankphobia

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Found this by chance, a Canadian startup doing hybrid diesel electric trucks are visiting a Chinese supplier
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At 6:40 in the video they briefly show a battery made for a tank.
We should perhaps not take the Tank part as gospel since many people with no military interest calls every armored vehicle they see a Tank.
Some sort of hybrid drive system? Battery for startup then ICE takes over, hence the high discharge. Size looks more suitable for an APC/IFV than an actual tank though, it looks similar in size to an EV battery.
 

Gloire_bb

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Considering what we have seen in Ukraine… YES. The armor package is older the optics are not as old as the vehicle’s configuration. Also until you jumped in I wasn’t talking about Ukraine. But the version sent to to Ukraine is one of the lighter versions closer to 64 tons.
Bradley vehicles fighting in Ukraine are much inferior in both optics and thermals to all modern Russian tanks.
I know that one single close ambush on a video is the defining event, but let us not forget about many and many less lucky M2s with HE breaches. For the sake of respect to their crews, if anything.
That ambush was skill of the commander&defenders realizing the defenders' advantage (and, concurrently, lack of support and sloppy battlefield control on the part of the attacker). On average, it doesn't happen.
The front in Ukraine is just too long to have mass tank formations. And the pervasive use of ATGMs, FPV drones, and guided artillery make massed formations a hazard anyway. You saw the Ukrainians try against the Russians last year with their summer offensive. How well did that go?
?! How length of the frontline is connected to mass tank formations? Tank formations are by default about concentration, not spreading them over for infantry support.

Everyone avoids concentrating tanks(and spreads them over for infantry support instead) not because the arcane art of moving vehicles together is lost to the sands of time, but because none of existing tank units can survive modern concentrated fires as well as AT firepower as coherent formations. I.e. CONOPS of armoured maneuver is not sustainable with available equipment. Primarily - tanks themselves.
This is true for any operational MBT (yes, everyone is that bad), making most existing tanks functionally similar to each other (close-range SPGs with better survivability). And for that - put some ERA and tablet with ballistics app on a t-34-85 - and it will work.
 

Gloire_bb

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Also, belatedly speaking about the 3 photos from may - after some pixel hunting, it appears to me that those are 2 different, if perhaps related, vehicles.

And while possibly all can share(i.e. add/remove) those volumous composite side screens, there are details(front armor block&forward view sensors, the way forward part of the chassis is arranged; turret bustle) which aren't really same between 2.

Also, while guns on photo with two vehicles 76...85mm caliber range (possibly even automatic? rear vehicle without barrel cover has something reminiscent), third photo(closest one with only root of the gun) is indeed105+.
 

Flanker1949

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What are they saying?
It's going to take a long time to translate.
And I haven't watched the entire video yet.
But to summarise, it says that this particular 4th gen tank will only be 30 tons in weight. A Yu-20 can transport 2 of them. It will have a remote turret like the Russian T-14. In terms of protection, the tank may have used the recently reported new-generation titanium alloy for its armour as well as new-gen ERA. The main armour itself may only be able to defend against small calibre cannons (like an anti-air artillery). The crew protection module can defend against shells from a 105mm tank gun. It may be insufficient against 120mm and 125mm tank guns, but that's what the reactive armour is for.

It also has a separate armour module dedicated to protecting the crews,
An active protection system is installed to counter the drones and anti-tank missiles.

For high-velocity anti-tank rounds, it will rely on its sensory, datalink, and fire control system to achieve first-seen-first-shot.
The main armament may be the new 105mm Electrothermal-chemical cannon with very high accuracy, so it can be shot from a distance where the enemy 120mm tank gun cannot achieve the same accuracy.
In terms of mobility, they aimed to make it the most agile tank in the world.

The tank also emphasises stealth against radar.
 

CHNPHD

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To me the best answer is Japanese Type 10

I prefer to call it a real lightweight MBT that PLA needed

If they can figure out a way to make the existing separate 125 shell into bustle autoloader work

Restarting 120 gun prodution line and put into service ? impractical
 
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