PLA Next Generation Main Battle Tank

Tomboy

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No he made some interesting observations I thought. Even broken clock right twice a day, and so on.
An interesting point that he pointed out was that the gun on this tank is as long as the ZPT-98, meaning this gun would have a length of L/60 which would make this the longest land-based gun(excluding small caliber autocannons) in terms of caliber in active service.
 
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gongolongo

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It is not about having a better tank than adverary, it is about the value of tank itself. It will not matter whose tank is better if they all get destroyed by drones easily.

The new tank should be designed to reflect new nature of warfare, where drones are ever present. I am not a fan of the new tank. It is a major technological advance, but it feels outdated, as if someone in 2010 dream up a new tank. Entire design is built around sensors, APS against ATGM proliferation. And indeed, ATGM was what every one was worried about in 2010. But Ukraine taught us drone is by far the biggest threat not ATGM, and I am not seeing new design to protect it.

I am being very realistic here. How good is your tank if some random ISIS can neutralize it? This is the kind of question we must ask.

What use is a new expensive tank if it is as survivable as a ZTZ-96A? Perhaps you would say the tank will be protected by EW and various anti-drone system. I am not convinced. EW is expensive along with various shortcoming, and does not protect against fibre optic drones. The current anti-drone is unproven in realistic battlefield, and is itself vulnerable to artillery and direct gun fire. We cannot expect tanks to perform its job if it is as vulnerable to the thin skinned vehicles around it. Realistically there is no satisfactory solution to kill drones while remaining protected against various other threats. Meanwhile drones can easily improve, while anti-drone measures are order of magnitude more expensive and hard to keep up. Things are not really looking good for traditional tank designs.

In general the more complex the solution is, the more holes it can poke. Having a complex series of special vehicle is extremely expensive, unreliable for such a cheap, simple threat. So I think ultimately the solution to drones must be very affordable, and simple enough to not have anti synergy with task of tank: a rugged assault platform operating in high threat environment. An expensive fleet of anti drone system will not survive. I think ultimately we will return to simple solutions like 'cope cage'.

We see Russia was able to convert T-72 into very survivable platforms with heavy amount of cage armor. But this kind of design has its own problems. The new tank design I am hoping for is to incorporate comprehensive anti-drone armor while remain unimpeded by it, and still able to perform its traditional roles. I am not sure if these armor is compatible with APS system new tank is built around. It may just be useless once it carry anti drone armor.

Drone protection is central to design of every military vehicle, and every feature must work around it. Until new tank design reflect it, I expect it remain a placeholder at best, sidegrade at worst. The improvements like better propulsion system is theoritical at best.
Doesn't this thing have APS that can shoot upwards? And engage drones?
 

bsdnf

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A claim in the comments section, I guess it means adjacent rounds burst at slightly different timings.

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Fuze principle is the same, where the data is received can be adjusted according to the needs. Muzzle programming will be more accurate because it will not be affected by factors such as initial velocity and charge temperature, but it is obviously not suitable for 625.


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gongolongo

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Exactly that's why I wonder if the APS can aim straight up an hit grenades cause I don't see radar at the top of the turret incase a drone is direct at the top of the tank and can it shoot the fpv drone
It should have enough angle from the side radar panels to see and predict it as it's incoming I think. I do think the ommission of the upward radar is odd considering the if has upward facing radar. It's still possible it can intercept directly upwards but maybe different methods. I doubt they'd make this tank not be able to intercept bombs being dropped on it by UAVs when they clearly have been able to accomplish it on other vehicles.
 

peijunfei

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Yankee specifically said this on his livestream, you could listen to it yourself. It's now available for replay but you have to pay like 40 RMB, which is like 4 quid.
I did, 观察者网洋基我看的还少么, so, Ionly believe what I see, Yankee said something wrong before, it is very common...观察者网洋基is not some kind of god knowing everything.....
 
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