PLA next/6th generation fighter thread

[ACuriousPLAFan]

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Source of the photo/illustration?

 

[AETHER]

Context, and source?

Given the stage we are at now, I think it's useful for the background of any pictures to be conveyed with any images posted

oh yeah this is from douyin, user CCL7769. so liekly a PS. looks cool tho

 

[Blitzo]

oh yeah this is from douyin, user CCL7769. so liekly a PS. looks cool tho

Yeah it would be cool if that could be included in the opening post.

Imo our collective responsibility now is to try and ensure accuracy and minimize "jumping the gun".


PLA watching has come a fair bit since J-20 s/n 2001 emerged 14 years ago, we have an opportunity to turn up a little this time

 

[valysre]

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This was posted ages ago as a '6th gen'. PLA next/6th generation fighter thread

 

[drowingfish]

Excuse my ignorance. Current generation of fighters are more maneuverable than human pilot could handle, at high speed. Could the next generation sacrifice that excess maneuverbility for improved stealth? Which in the end, not actually that less maneuverable.

you are right, if the new gen fighter can operate at a significantly higher altitude compared to F-35 and its contemporaries, then maneuverability as we currently understand it is not need it. it will not engage in a dogfight, and the situational awareness bestowed by its sensors will give sufficient warnings to incoming threat far enough in advance that it may simply turn away and escape danger using supercruise. high altitude and stealth also means 5 gen fighters will have to sneak up pretty close before being able to take a good shot at it, which again is difficult given its speed.

 

[Deino]

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Context, and source?

Given the stage we are at now, I think it's useful for the background of any pictures to be conveyed with any images posted

That‘s an older one known / made by that famous CG-artist who also made other CG/PS artworks. I just forgot his name but I have the full image on my harddrive.

 

[Gloire_bb]

it will not engage in a dogfight, and the situational awareness bestowed by its sensors will give sufficient warnings to incoming threat far enough in advance that it may simply turn away and escape danger using supercruise. high altitude and stealth also means 5 gen fighters will have to sneak up pretty close before being able to take a good shot at it, which again is difficult given its speed.

High altitude usually doesn't go well with stealth for non-specialist subsonic high altitude aircraft. Because you, well, have to somehow avoid stall.

For specialist high altitude aircraft it can be quite straightforward, just get longer wings and be good. Just be careful with moving the joystick, such aircraft require care.

For fighters without very long wing it means going high supersonic, which means hot, and with reflecting shockwave behind.

It's hard to be both stealthy and fast/high at the same time.

 

[drowingfish]

High altitude usually doesn't go well with stealth for non-specialist subsonic high altitude aircraft. Because you, well, have to somehow avoid stall.

For specialist high altitude aircraft it can be quite straightforward, just get longer wings and be good. Just be careful with moving the joystick, such aircraft require care.

For fighters without very long wing it means going high supersonic, which means hot, and with reflecting shockwave behind.

It's hard to be both stealthy and fast/high at the same time.

high altitude and speed is only in relation to F-35. If F-35 can't get to it that is all PLA needs. It is easier to achieve because at a higher altitude, air is less dense. whereas F-22 can do mach 1.5 supercruise at 10000m, a 6 gen fighter can do mach 2 at a much higher altitude without generating anymore heat.