Maybe because they want to teach skills that can be done prior to moving to an actual warship so that they know at least something before they start getting in the way of a smooth-running ship? Why do you presume to know more than people who do this kind of thing for a living?
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well, my thoughts to that:
1. You don't have that skilled teachers for all the training stations the 83 has on a regular unit. Remember all the training possibilities on that ship. Weapon stations, Navigation (old school and via electronic maps), ECM, flight deck operations, and so on...
2. You want a standard of training to rely on. Every commander or chief on a single unit has a slightly different view on what is important to teach and every commander has different or at least no teaching skills.
3. We should not forget, the PLAN is part of the PLA as a column of the communist party might enforcer. So a centralized education of the officers, gives you a better chance for indoctrination in political terms.
4. last but not least, you don't want your expensive assets employed with teaching base skills to cadets. The regular training and operational exercises demand enough time from the crew of a specific unit.
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Well, these pictures make it pretty clear that the PLAN is heading for a carrier-borne fixed wing AEW aircraft like the E-2 Hawkeye.
We know that the mockup at Wuhan is where they take a hard look at things, both for th present and the future.
Now we are seeing their AEW design showing up there on its deck.
I believe we will see this aircraft on the 002 carriers. Whether it is STO enough to use off of the STOBAR carriers (001 and 001A) is yet to be seen.
The electronics and the done tend to make such aircraft heavy enough that it may be doubtful IMHO, but we shall see.
We know that the mockup at Wuhan is where they take a hard look at things, both for th present and the future.
Now we are seeing their AEW design showing up there on its deck.
I believe we will see this aircraft on the 002 carriers. Whether it is STO enough to use off of the STOBAR carriers (001 and 001A) is yet to be seen.
The electronics and the done tend to make such aircraft heavy enough that it may be doubtful IMHO, but we shall see.
I remember that ( in the early seventies IIRC ) a semi-literate(?) seaman caused three quarters of a million dollar damage to an engine of a USN ship.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
13 reconY8AEW and Y8G bomber together with 3 Navy ships cross the Miyako straits for an exercise in West Pacific
The Chinese navy had declared in 2016 that it would "normalize" its exits to the west of the Pacific Ocean, and it is now done it with a new crossing of the first chain of islands with about ten aircraft.of its air force, passing through the Miyako Strait near Japan.
to , , a total of 13 Chinese navy planes crossed the first chain of islands shortly before noon to join 3 Chinese warships that were sailing a Just over 120 km south-east of the Miyako Islands.
The trajectory of Chinese devices and the area of Chinese exercise (Photo: 合 幕僚 監 部 部)
A Y-8J early warning aircraft belonging to the 13 Chinese aircraft (Photo: 合 幕僚 監 部)
Among the 13 aircraft of the Chinese squadron are 1 AEW Y-8J early warning aircraft, 6 combat aircraft and 6 bombers. But for some reason, their exact identities were not revealed by the Japanese armed forces - which is quite unusual - who used the words "alleged Chinese bombers" or "presumed Chinese fighter planes". This might suggest that the Japanese aircraft could not get close enough to the Chinese squadron to carry out the identification photograph.
It is later learned in that the aircraft and vessels carried out a military exercise of confrontation type. The air force and the ships simulated alternately the assailant and the defender in an Air-Sea combat.
Two of the three Chinese warships - the destroyer 171 Haikou of Type 052C and the destroyer 173 Changsha of Type 052D - were still in the east of the Indian Ocean just a few days (see our article " "). They then crossed the Sulawesi Sea, a vast basin between the Philippines and Indonesia, before returning off the Japanese islands on the first chain of islands.
The 3rd Chinese warship is the 531 Xiangtan frigate of Type 054A belonging to the Eastern fleet, unlike the two destroyers, which come from the South fleet.
As for the Chinese bombers not identified by the Japanese, it is the H-6G capable of launching anti-supersonic missiles YJ-12 with a range of nearly 400 km, if we believe the photos published by the Chinese navy.
One of the Chinese Wing's H-6Gs (Photo: PLA Navy)
The destroyer 173 Changsha of Type 052D to the west of the Pacific Ocean (Photo: PLA Navy)
The destroyers 171 Haikou and 173 Changsha in the Sulawesi Sea (Photo: 81.cn)
It is noteworthy that the area in which Chinese navy planes and ships conducted their military exercises is particularly interesting. Miyako Strait one of the most important "gates" to the Pacific Ocean for China and a very high intensity combat zone if the Chinese navy should face the US Navy and the Japanese fleets in a scenario Of "recovery" of the island of Taiwan.
And we can see an intensification of the exits of the Chinese air and naval forces at this precise place for the last two years - in September 2016, Here, the event even created some friction between Chinese devices and those of Japanese, Taiwanese and Americans. In December, that entered the Pacific Ocean by the same location.
It will therefore be necessary to expect a "normalization" of this type of outings, as announced by the Chinese army. And if the three Chinese army corps - air force, navy, and rocket forces - still seem to be operating independently until now, aiming to "annihilate" or "push back" the Blockade created by the United States and its vassals to East Asia, it will not be surprising to see joint exercises in the years to come that integrate all the Chinese vectors but in which case the meaning Probably will not be at all the same ...
To be continued.
Henri K.
The Chinese navy had declared in 2016 that it would "normalize" its exits to the west of the Pacific Ocean, and it is now done it with a new crossing of the first chain of islands with about ten aircraft.of its air force, passing through the Miyako Strait near Japan.
to , , a total of 13 Chinese navy planes crossed the first chain of islands shortly before noon to join 3 Chinese warships that were sailing a Just over 120 km south-east of the Miyako Islands.
The trajectory of Chinese devices and the area of Chinese exercise (Photo: 合 幕僚 監 部 部)
A Y-8J early warning aircraft belonging to the 13 Chinese aircraft (Photo: 合 幕僚 監 部)
Among the 13 aircraft of the Chinese squadron are 1 AEW Y-8J early warning aircraft, 6 combat aircraft and 6 bombers. But for some reason, their exact identities were not revealed by the Japanese armed forces - which is quite unusual - who used the words "alleged Chinese bombers" or "presumed Chinese fighter planes". This might suggest that the Japanese aircraft could not get close enough to the Chinese squadron to carry out the identification photograph.
It is later learned in that the aircraft and vessels carried out a military exercise of confrontation type. The air force and the ships simulated alternately the assailant and the defender in an Air-Sea combat.
Two of the three Chinese warships - the destroyer 171 Haikou of Type 052C and the destroyer 173 Changsha of Type 052D - were still in the east of the Indian Ocean just a few days (see our article " "). They then crossed the Sulawesi Sea, a vast basin between the Philippines and Indonesia, before returning off the Japanese islands on the first chain of islands.
The 3rd Chinese warship is the 531 Xiangtan frigate of Type 054A belonging to the Eastern fleet, unlike the two destroyers, which come from the South fleet.
As for the Chinese bombers not identified by the Japanese, it is the H-6G capable of launching anti-supersonic missiles YJ-12 with a range of nearly 400 km, if we believe the photos published by the Chinese navy.
One of the Chinese Wing's H-6Gs (Photo: PLA Navy)
The destroyer 173 Changsha of Type 052D to the west of the Pacific Ocean (Photo: PLA Navy)
The destroyers 171 Haikou and 173 Changsha in the Sulawesi Sea (Photo: 81.cn)
It is noteworthy that the area in which Chinese navy planes and ships conducted their military exercises is particularly interesting. Miyako Strait one of the most important "gates" to the Pacific Ocean for China and a very high intensity combat zone if the Chinese navy should face the US Navy and the Japanese fleets in a scenario Of "recovery" of the island of Taiwan.
And we can see an intensification of the exits of the Chinese air and naval forces at this precise place for the last two years - in September 2016, Here, the event even created some friction between Chinese devices and those of Japanese, Taiwanese and Americans. In December, that entered the Pacific Ocean by the same location.
It will therefore be necessary to expect a "normalization" of this type of outings, as announced by the Chinese army. And if the three Chinese army corps - air force, navy, and rocket forces - still seem to be operating independently until now, aiming to "annihilate" or "push back" the Blockade created by the United States and its vassals to East Asia, it will not be surprising to see joint exercises in the years to come that integrate all the Chinese vectors but in which case the meaning Probably will not be at all the same ...
To be continued.
Henri K.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Another set of pictures from the crossing Source Dafengcao
6×Su-30MK2s+6×H-Gs VS 052D Changsha+052C Haikou
6×Su-30MK2s+6×H-Gs VS 052D Changsha+052C Haikou
The way I understood Henri K. the exercise looked as if the 13 planes (1 Y8AEW, 6 fighers and 6 H6G) "intercepted" the 3 navy ships coming from the West Pacific towards the Miyako straits.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Well if we look at the HG 6G, it is the bomber version that carry YJ12 a mach 4 anti ship vessel. So I guess it is the other way around.
The air asset are there to protect the ships while it is crossing the Miyako straits assuming the opfor will lay in waiting to ambush the ships convoy(Taiwan contingency scenario)
Henri K speculate we will see more and more of this exercise because the Miyako straits is one of the few choke point for the Chinese navy egress into the the west pacific. And if there is war it will be highly contested are. The same with its double duty escort of Su30MKK which can carry anti ship missile
H-6G (H/JH6G?) was first "leaked" in a promotional video by AVIC I at the 2002 Zhuhai Airshow. This variant is capable of carrying 4 AShMs under its wings, the same type being carried by the JH-7/7A strike aircraft. However has a considerably longer range (~6,000km) than JH-7/7A but at a lower speed. Other improvements include MAWS sensors on both sides of the nose and tailcone, RWR antennas on top of the tailcone and the vertical tailfin as well as a new dorsal UHF/VHF antenna as well as chaff/flare launchers for better self-protection. The observation windows in the rear fuselage were also removed. At least one prototype was used for testing at CFTE (#089), which was seen carrying two similar to the ones onboard JH-7/JH-7A. Currently H-6G is in service with PLA Naval Aviation (S/N 81x1x, , ) replacing the old H-6D. H-6G has been flying long-range sea strike training missions over the East China Sea facing Japan. Recent images (September 2013) suggested that some s have been modified to carry the new supersonic long range anti-ship cruise missile (up to 2) under a stretched pylon. A few (S/N ) were seen having two small windows installed underneath the rear fuselage which could house cameras for SAR purpose. The latest image (August 2015) indicated some have been upgraded with a new ECM antenna aft the cabin (S/N ). H-6G was speculated to be replaced by the more powerful H-6K carrying 6 YJ-12 AShMs
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Indeed, a very probable scenario to train. Next level is, I assume, forcing through the Gibraltar Strait, Panama Canal and the Magellan Strait to catch the US Navy off guard and advance into Atlantic Ocean to get them from the flank.
Read: they're there to harass Japanese and US forces. No point in such a stupid scenario. At least they won't try it through Tsushima Strait.
Obviously these exercises are the first steps of having a greater continuous presence of Chinese air and naval forces in the westpac.
I'm not sure what that has to do with harassing US or Japan forces in peacetime, because they all have valid interests and reasons for seeking to maintain a capable presence in the theatre during peacetime and to try and check the presence of each other.