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arthur2046

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China has been implementing the military-civilian dual-use ship standards(《新造民船贯彻国防要求技术标准》) since 2015, covering container ships, roll-on/roll-off (Ro-Ro) ships, oil tankers, bulk carriers and special-purpose vessels, among others. Ships that meet these dual-use standards can complete basic military conversion within 72 hours without entering a dry dock.
 

bsdnf

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they can't do it today . their empire build on the rep of them being good guy , world police keep sea trade safe for large part of the world

another problem for them is once war with china start every merchant container ship will fly any other flag than china (include china's armed "civilian ship")

to make matter worst in wartime , they can't afford to spare a massive cost/resource/man power to board and check every single merchant ship to make sure they don't shot the wrong one .

they must choice one option between 2 poison :

letting their hard to replace warship/sub at risk or attack all civilians ship show up 1000km around their force . that gonna piss off alot of nations
The problem is, the so-called "good guy" reputation is pure liberal nonsense; it simply doesn't exist. Even if they did, things they have done since the 21st century have already exhausted it. The so-called "worldwide" is actually limited to Europe (and Europeans often think so too).

With most countries in the world relying on China as their largest trading partner, the United States becomes a threat to global trade. Precisely because they are well aware of this, they will immediately and directly attack civilian vessels. Just like with Nord Stream 2, they will go all the way, leaving Europe (and other countries) no room for negotiation.

Just as the US blocks Chinese technology, it will demands that ships from these countries voluntarily impose embargoes on China. If any violations are found during surveillance and blockade, the entire country's merchant fleet becomes a target for attack. When faced with no other choice, these countries naturally compromise and seek alternatives. This sounds very much like power politics, but look at Liberation Day, didn't most of the country compromise?

What maintains their imperial status is only military and economic power; each country acts solely to maximize its own interests

Look at Ukraine and Gaza during Biden's presidency. Were any countries outside Europe willing to follow suit with sanctions and boycotts? No, or most were merely symbolic.

Trump's decision to back down during his term wasn't for any kind of reputational stunt; it was simply a strategic retreat. Otherwise, he wouldn't have dared to act recklessly in Venezuela.

When AR threatens their military and economic hegemony, they won't care about any "good guy" reputation.
 
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PigeonFood

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they can't do it today . their empire build on the rep of them being good guy , world police keep sea trade safe for large part of the world
1. We had no problem bombing the Venezuelans. I'm not sure why you'd think we would hesitate to bomb 'enemy' container ships.

2. Recently, our world policing focus has been on making sure our enemies don't get to trade through the ocean.
 

manqiangrexue

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1. We had no problem bombing the Venezuelans.
Actually it does look like the US wishes to stay clear of military conflict in Venezuela, hoping that Maduro can be buckled by threats and piracy and that doesn't look to be successful at this time.
I'm not sure why you'd think we would hesitate to bomb 'enemy' container ships.
Firstly, it would depend on who owns those ships. Targetting the Chinese military is significantly different from targetting the Venezuelan military... or ghost tanker.
2. Recently, our world policing focus has been on making sure our enemies don't get to trade through the ocean.
Bit of an overstatement. It's confined acts of piracy against one weak country in particular amounting to hindering open trade. Many ships have entered and left Venezuela in recent days, especially ones not carrying oil.
 

PigeonFood

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Actually it does look like the US wishes to stay clear of military conflict in Venezuela, hoping that Maduro can be buckled by threats and piracy and that doesn't look to be successful at this time.

Firstly, it would depend on who owns those ships. Targetting the Chinese military is significantly different from targetting the Venezuelan military... or ghost tanker.

Bit of an overstatement. It's confined acts of piracy against one weak country in particular amounting to hindering open trade. Many ships have entered and left Venezuela in recent days, especially ones not carrying oil.
I was referring more to the US leveraging our military and role as an international arbiter to enforce sanctions on Russia and Russian Oil rather than Venezuela on my second point.

Not to get off topic, but regarding whether or not the US would see weaponized container ships as a legitimate target and proactively take action against them. It would not be far-fetched to consider that in the lead-up to conflict, the US would sanction known cargo ships from landing on ports of the US and allied nations due to the threat of both weaponized containers and drones within.

It would be an economically suicidal move, but both of my points are to show that we are entirely capable of reacting non-morally and over-reacting to a perceived threat, even at great cost to ourselves.
 

iewgnem

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I was referring more to the US leveraging our military and role as an international arbiter to enforce sanctions on Russia and Russian Oil rather than Venezuela on my second point.

Not to get off topic, but regarding whether or not the US would see weaponized container ships as a legitimate target and proactively take action against them. It would not be far-fetched to consider that in the lead-up to conflict, the US would sanction known cargo ships from landing on ports of the US and allied nations due to the threat of both weaponized containers and drones within.

It would be an economically suicidal move, but both of my points are to show that we are entirely capable of reacting non-morally and over-reacting to a perceived threat, even at great cost to ourselves.
That's where the CIWS, AESA and VLS comes in.

US does not need to avoid targeting container ships, US will be taught what it means when any and every container ship can launch dozens of HHQ-9 from 100km away while they need to saturation attack every single one.
 
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