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Bellum_Romanum

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Quite an allegation. Will PLAN refute it?

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Refute it for what? Where did the incident happened to be exact? within or close to proximity to Australian shores or is it on the periphery of the SCS which is a lot closer to Taiwan, China and mainland proper. Collin Koh is just being extra dramatic making it seem like the australian divers got cooked by bombs and bullets ala the war that's happening in Europe and the Middle-East.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Quite an allegation. Will PLAN refute it?

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Question - Where did that alleged incident took place?

From the article:
On Tuesday 14 November 2023, HMAS Toowoomba was in international waters inside of Japan’s Exclusive Economic Zone enroute to commence a scheduled port visit.

HMAS Toowoomba had been in the region conducting operations in support of United Nations sanctions enforcement. It had stopped to conduct diving operations in order to clear fishing nets that had become entangled around its propellers.

"Inside Japan's EEZ for scheduled port visit"
"Conducting operations supporting UN sanctions enforcement in the region"
"Fishing nets entangled around its propellers" (or whatever that is)

I'm guessing that happens somewhere in the East China Sea... because who else would those UN sanctions be enacted against in the region that is close to Japan and have lots of fishery activities (or again, whatever that is), apart from the DPRK?

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Dante80

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Here is the official release.

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Unsafe and unprofessional interaction with PLA-N​


The Australian Government has expressed its serious concerns to the Chinese Government following an unsafe and unprofessional interaction with a People’s Liberation Army-Navy (PLA-N) destroyer.

On Tuesday 14 November 2023, HMAS Toowoomba was in international waters inside of Japan’s Exclusive Economic Zone enroute to commence a scheduled port visit.

HMAS Toowoomba had been in the region conducting operations in support of United Nations sanctions enforcement. It had stopped to conduct diving operations in order to clear fishing nets that had become entangled around its propellers.

At all times, HMAS Toowoomba communicated its intention to conduct diving operations on normal maritime channels, and using internationally recognised signals.

While diving operations were underway a PLA-N destroyer (DDG-139) operating in the vicinity closed towards HMAS Toowoomba. Toowoomba again advised the PLA-N destroyer that diving operations were being conducted and requested the ship keep clear.

Despite acknowledging Toowoomba’s communications, the Chinese vessel approached at a closer range. Soon after, it was detected operating its hull-mounted sonar in a manner that posed a risk to the safety of the Australian divers who were forced to exit the water.

This is unsafe and unprofessional conduct.

Medical assessments conducted after the divers exited the water identified they had sustained minor injuries likely due to being subjected to the sonar pulses from the Chinese destroyer.

The safety and wellbeing of our ADF personnel continues to be of our utmost priority.

Australia expects all countries, including China, to operate their militaries in a professional and safe manner.

Defence has for decades undertaken maritime surveillance activities in the region and does so in accordance with international law, exercising the right to freedom of navigation and overflight in international waters and airspace.

Media contact:
Deputy Prime Minister’s Office: Caitlin Taylor - 0417 121 599
 

tankphobia

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Refute it for what? Where did the incident happened to be exact? within or close to proximity to Australian shores or is it on the periphery of the SCS which is a lot closer to Taiwan, China and mainland proper. Collin Koh is just being extra dramatic making it seem like the australian divers got cooked by bombs and bullets ala the war that's happening in Europe and the Middle-East.
To be fair, underwater sonar pings on divers can range from annoying to actively harmful, I have no doubt the sonar on a destroyer is powerful enough to cause severe internal damage. See below example of a diver getting hit by sonar (possibly from an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer) under water. It does seem like Australia is trying to play it down based on the press release.

 
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Temstar

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Quite an allegation. Will PLAN refute it?

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The ship in question was 139 Ningbo, an improved Sovremenny class.
Here's the specs on the Sovremenny's primary sonar:

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I suspect that wasn't what was used here (or if it was it wasn't at full power), because as you can see this thing can pump 221dB into the water and the diver is still alive.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Also, Canberra said the HMAS Toowoomba got her propellers entangled with fishing nets during the incident.

If that's indeed the case, then think about it - Wasn't there once was an Australian SSK which also got entangled in some fishing lines and nets when conducting espionage missions against the PLA right at the mouth of the Yangtze River sometime in 1992?

HMAS Orion, that is. And, yes, that's by intruding deep into Chinese territorial waters.

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What a coincidence, huh... or not?
 
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