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taxiya said:
hmm, you are apparently talking about western firefighters.
Worst of all, you are calling these three "fools" by saying they did not do as you expected.
But, I will leave it as it is since we have different standard of hero and fool.
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So you are implying that Chinese firefighters puts material importance first and foremost before human lives as well as their own? Well ain't that some nice set of priorities they seem to be having here. I will definitely feel so "grateful" if a whole squad of them immolates themselves just to save my vintage grandfather clock from the fire while neglecting to save my next door neighbour.

And yes I will call it as I see it in this case, risking lives to save what is replaceable materials is foolhardly in my book.
 
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Bhurki said:
Is there any chinese quad packing capability demonstrated amongst any pair of missile-vls as of yet? (Dk-10a etc)
I think it'll be one of the most important developments for the u-vls,
Not only clearing space for more important long range interceptors and AShM but also increasing Probability of Kill for each Uvls module available for anti air operation
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Sorry no word on those and it may not even be a matter of priority for some reason.

DK-10 missile is also not been accepted by the PLA or PLAN in any form despite its based on the PL-12/SD-10 missile. It has been exported to some countries as the SD-50 for land use only.

Other potential quad packs include using HQ-17, which is active with the PLA, but there is no naval version of it unlike its close Russian analog, the Tor missile.

If indeed there was a 3.3 meter shallow version of the U-VLS, either for small ships or for export warships, the only missile that could fit on that might be a navalized HQ-17, which may suggest there might have been originally plans for that but however with no visible follow through.
 
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Tam said:
Sorry no word on those and it may not even be a matter of priority for some reason.

DK-10 missile is also not been accepted by the PLA or PLAN in any form despite its based on the PL-12/SD-10 missile. It has been exported to some countries as the SD-50 for land use only.

Other potential quad packs include using HQ-17, which is active with the PLA, but there is no naval version of it unlike its close Russian analog, the Tor missile.

If indeed there was a 3.3 meter shallow version of the U-VLS, either for small ships or for export warships, the only missile that could fit on that might be a navalized HQ-17, which may suggest there might have been originally plans for that but however with no visible follow through.
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An extended hhq10 launched by vls maybe?.. It measures 120mm x 2m .. Increase propellant section length to house increased range to about 10 km eff.
Or simply fix one of the rim type launchers into the vls, like the 8 cell version we see on type 056 ,the fl 3000n
That would be the dream use for 3.3 m vls
 
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Bhurki said:
An extended hhq10 launched by vls maybe?.. It measures 120mm x 2m .. Increase propellant section length to house increased range to about 10 km eff.
Or simply fix one of the rim type launchers into the vls, like the 8 cell version we see on type 056 ,the fl 3000n
That would be the dream use for 3.3 m vls
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You would have to command guide the HQ-10 as it launches from a VLS towards the target until it gets a lock. HQ-10 is like any heat seeking missile, you have to bare it towards the target then it gets a lock and then you fire it.

Assuming HQ-17 works from the basis of the Russian original, its command guided from launch towards the target by radar. HQ-17 may have started from 9K331 but has evolved ever since. Likewise on the Russian side, 9K331 has given way to an improved model, the 9K332. The Russian naval version is called Kinzhal, and its equipped on the Kuznetsov, the Kirov battlecruisers and the Udaloi class destroyers.

This pic is from Wiki and I suggest the page if you like background information on the Tor-M system.

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I don't know if the HQ-10 is better than the HQ-17 as a short ranged SAM. If the 3.3m U-VLS is true, this is the first indication that points to a similar Chinese effort with a naval HQ-17. If the dimensions of the HQ-17 is like the 9K331, its only 3 meters in length and is cold launched which is fine with U-VLS. This thing is so short it can VLS out of a tracked vehicle.


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China participates in Australia-led joint maritime drill
2018-09-09 12:01 GMT+8
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China is participating in Australia's largest maritime exercise for the first time as more than 3,000 personnel from 27 countries engage in joint training off the northern port of Darwin, China's official military newspaper reported on Friday.

Exercise "Kakadu" is hosting 23 ships and submarines from across the Indo-Pacific region, enabling them to establish familiarity which helps to prevent conflict on the high seas and to coordinate disaster relief efforts.

Two Australian navy sailors boarded onto China's naval frigate Huangshan during the drill, Australia's commander Anita Sellick of the Australian frigate HMAS Newcastle said.

Commander of Huangshan Fleet Ding Xinmin told reporters such exercises effectively improved understanding and trust.

The joint military practice will continue until September 15.

The participating countries in Exercise "Kakadu" include: China, Japan, the Republic of Korea, Thailand, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Brunei, Cambodia, Canada, Chile, Cook Islands, Fiji, France, India, Malaysia, New Zealand, Pakistan, Papua New Guinea, the Philippines, Singapore, Sri Lanka, East Timor, Tonga, the United Arab Emirates, US, Australia and Vietnam.
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Interesting points (please correct if inaccurate):
  • The Type 055 will play a huge role in a hypothetical Taiwan conflict
  • Adding to the point above, one of its main roles would be land attack
  • The subsystems aboard the 052D were originally developed for the 055
  • The universal VLS is able to launch LRSAM, MRSAM, AShM, or LACM missiles
  • The universal VLS does not yet have midcourse-phase anti-ballistic missile capabilities
  • Both the AShM and LACM used by the 055 come from the YJ-18 family; its LACM is NOT the CJ-10
  • YJ-18 AShM & LACM may be launched from surface ships or submarines (currently on 052D, 055, and 09IIIB)
  • Development of the YJ-18 was extremely arduous and plagued with difficulties
  • Land-attack capabilities will allow the PLAN to prosecute targets in the mountain ranges of Eastern Taiwan
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Interesting that he does not mention VL ASW missiles here, a glaring omission IMO. A simple mistake or a deliberate choice? ASBM is also missing. Also interesting to know would be whether these MRSAMs are quad-packable.
 
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Bltizo said:
Yes it definitely goes without saying that 052D at least has some 9m cells.

However I suppose I'm wondering how many 9m cells they have, and also whether the land attack YJ-18 variant needs the 9m variant or if it can fit in the 7m one.
In other words, how many LACM YJ-18s can fit in an 052D (and I suppose 055, as we don't know if all of its VLS cells are also 9m).
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While the number of 9m cells the 052D holds is still a mystery, it seems highly unlikely to me that the 055 will not deploy with all 9m cells, if simply for flexibility of missile placement, given that depth is clearly not an issue for the 055 while for the 052D it may possibly be.
 
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Iron Man said:
Interesting that he does not mention VL ASW missiles here, a glaring omission IMO. A simple mistake or a deliberate choice? ASBM is also missing. Also interesting to know would be whether these MRSAMs are quad-packable.
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My understanding is that the UVLS is fitted for but not necessarily with all of these missiles, i.e. the VLS has the physical capacity for these missiles but not the fire control software and such. POP3 mentioned in another post that LACMs were originally incompatible with the 052D but only because of the lack of appropriate software.

The vertically launched ASBM is still under development, I think.
 
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Iron Man said:
While the number of 9m cells the 052D holds is still a mystery, it seems highly unlikely to me that the 055 will not deploy with all 9m cells, if simply for flexibility of missile placement, given that depth is clearly not an issue for the 055 while for the 052D it may possibly be.
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According to Henri K.'s source, the location of the 052D's shafts prevent it from having all 9 m cells.
 
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