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FORBIN

Lieutenant General
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There are some indications that the Navy might have decided to procure or may even be in some stage of building a fairly unique (~20,000 ton?) semi-submersible arsenal ship.

This is still in the fairly early stages of rumour + speculation, but there are a few articles and supposedly there have been a few vague references by big shrimps over the years to something like this but wasn't taken that seriously until recently.
But not much about this is really known at this stage, not even designation, not propulsion or even its real configuration or likely payload. It has been referred to on the grapevine as "常潜式海洋攻搜作战平台"...

Far too early to say this thing is real, but the way some of the rumours and info are unfolding makes me think this should be a space to carefully watch if anything comes of it.

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Speculative CGIs below.

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You can' t seriously envisaged, illustrated a futur Chinese Navy with these ridiculous pics !
From Fanboys or childrens.
 

Blitzo

Lieutenant General
Staff member
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You can' t seriously envisaged, illustrated a futur Chinese Navy with these ridiculous pics !
From Fanboys or childrens.

As I wrote, I don't think it's anything near fully real, but I've been around for enough new developments to interpret the rumours for this semi submersible ship to a similar standard of past projects.

For example, back in like 2011-2012 the rumours for 055 were similar. For J-XX/J-20 in the mid 2000s it was similar as well.


I would advise you to keep an open mind.
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
As I wrote, I don't think it's anything near fully real, but I've been around for enough new developments to interpret the rumours for this semi submersible ship to a similar standard of past projects.

For example, back in like 2011-2012 the rumours for 055 were similar. For J-XX/J-20 in the mid 2000s it was similar as well.


I would advise you to keep an open mind.
I have... and i talk for the Fleet not for wacky projects or if they are real a day.
 

Engineer

Major
Someone managed to dig up a journal paper written by the designer, much like the paper written by Dr. Song on J-20. I would say the existence of such a project is confirmed. Whether ships of this type will actually be built is another question.
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vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
Someone managed to dig up a journal paper written by the designer, much like the paper written by Dr. Song on J-20. I would say the existence of such a project is confirmed. Whether ships of this type will actually be built is another question.
5HwNxxf.jpg
The designer died of cancer in January 2016
 

Skywatcher

Captain
It probably can be built to dive to depths of 50-100m without having to spend too much, though if it uses conventional propulsion and its submersible time is limited by the batteries, it'll probably be a submarine in these sense that it spends most of its time transiting on the surface, like a WWII submarine (though it has a carrier group to protect it).

Then question then becomes, will it be cost effective (naturally, you'll have to pay more to construct a submarine) compared to buying an equivalent amount of VLS acreage distributed on surface ships, whether a dedicated bombardment/arsenal ships or more 055 DDGs?
 

delft

Brigadier
From Forbin, #1050, citing
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"The pretext is to participate in the fight against piracy in the Gulf of Aden. But what role can submarines play against pirates and their dhows, "asks a source from the Indian Ministry of Defense.
The Dutch navy was very proud of the role the submarine it sent played on the Somali coast.
 
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