PLA ICBM Force in 2016

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Su-34

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I was wondering how many ICBMs will be in Second Artillery service in 2016. Considering the fact that USA and Japan are accelerating their Anti-Ballistic Missile Defence development, it is prudent that China has a credible and survivable nuclear missile force to prevent Japan and USA from intervening in possible future conflict with Taiwanese Separatists led by Traitor A-Bian.

I hope China has 400 DF-31As, each with MIRVs and 100 DF-41s by 2016.:china:
 
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renmin

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Su-34 said:
I was wondering how many ICBMs will be in Second Artillery service in 2016. Considering the fact that USA and Japan are accelerating their Anti-Ballistic Missile Defence development, it is prudent that China has a credible and survivable nuclear missile force to prevent Japan and USA from intervening in possible future conflict with Taiwanese Separatists led by Traitor A-Bian.

I hope China has 400 DF-31As, each with MIRVs and 100 DF-41s by 2016.:china:
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Considering the fact that China has over 700 operational nukes now, I would say that China would have a huge nuclear force by 2016, if the rate continues to grow like this.:china:
 
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renmin said:
Considering the fact that China has over 700 operational nukes now, I would say that China would have a huge nuclear force by 2016, if the rate continues to grow like this.:china:
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If China does increase its nuclear stockpile, it will almost certainly cause headaches in the west and may provoke the U.S. into increasing its own stockpiles of nuclear weapons (whicch is alot higher than China's). So I don't think it would be wis eof China to do so. It would not be well looked upon by the U.S.A. and the international community. Since China wants to develop trade and contact with the outside world, building more nukes would not be the best option, so I think it is unlikely.
 
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Totoro

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With the increasing stockpiles of nukes of india and pakistan, i doubt china will be shunned by the international community for increasing its number of nukes. After all it has been in the original 5 of the nuclear club for decades now. Key is just to add more nukes gradually. With china being completely capable of producing a icmb with nuke warhead on its own, it'd be hard to track the exact numbers anyway.

Key is to make every nuke count, though. No missile silo nukes, just highly mobile launchers and subs. Mobile launchers are already deployed, even though i dont know in what numbers...but within some 5 years it's very safe to assume there'd be enough of them that they can't all be taken out in one stealthy strike. With nuke subs, well, that's hard to predict. If a dedicated program started today, based on 094 design, i'd take some 15 years to build and train a fleet of subs that'd allow for multiple subs to be out in the sea at any given time. Also, they'd need to be quiet enough so they can leave the ports without being tracked.
 
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Su-34 said:
I was wondering how many ICBMs will be in Second Artillery service in 2016. Considering the fact that USA and Japan are accelerating their Anti-Ballistic Missile Defence development, it is prudent that China has a credible and survivable nuclear missile force to prevent Japan and USA from intervening in possible future conflict with Taiwanese Separatists led by Traitor A-Bian.

I hope China has 400 DF-31As, each with MIRVs and 100 DF-41s by 2016.:china:
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it has been almost half-century since china built her frist nuke! in 50 yrs time, china has only built other 200-300 'officially'...well, that is simply not possible, how many nukes has china got so far remain highly classified. what i believe is china's nuclear arsenal is certainly larger than UK and France's, and by 2016, it maybe larger than Russian's.

but china doesn't need that many ICBMs, with MIRVs, 150-200 DF-41/DF-31A is more than enough to deliver a fatal nuke attack on any country, the key is not the number, but the technology, how to penetrate the Anti-Ballistic Missile Defence system will be the most important assignment for the Chinese scientists, now, Russians are already working on it,and China will start or already started to working on it.

besides, I think PLA will invest more on SLBM...
 
renmin

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Most of Chinas nukes are mobile launched so they often move which means they are almost impossible to find or locate, the only time you would be seeing those bad boys is on the national day parade. Anti ballistic missile defence today isnt really that effective, though russia is a bit ahead of the game since they possess the only operational ballistic missile defense system in the world. It works by tracking the missile by sattilite then a rocket is launched from its silo and collides with the warhead in space. America's missile defense capability is still a bit off, its best systems are designed to shoot down scuds not ICBMs but an AEGIS Standard Missile (SM-3) system is under development and will help fix this problem.

Heres a picture (art) of how the Russian missile defense system looks like
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Su-34

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renmin said:
Most of Chinas nukes are mobile launched so they often move which means they are almost impossible to find or locate, the only time you would be seeing those bad boys is on the national day parade. Anti ballistic missile defence today isnt really that effective, though russia is a bit ahead of the game since they possess the only operational ballistic missile defense system in the world. It works by tracking the missile by sattilite then a rocket is launched from its silo and collides with the warhead in space. America's missile defense capability is still a bit off, its best systems are designed to shoot down scuds not ICBMs but an AEGIS Standard Missile (SM-3) system is under development and will help fix this problem.

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Although ballistic missile defence is still an imperfect technology, there has been a new ABM system designed by Israel and funded by USA-the Arrow-2. Can the Arrow-2 be effective in intercepting ICBMs? Also, PLA ICBMs need to have 4 MIRVs and 2 decoys on new future ICBMs to defeat US National Missile Defenses. Also, the ICBMs may have to have high manouveurability so that it can dodge ABMs like SM-3s.
 
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walter

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renmin said:
Most of Chinas nukes are mobile launched so they often move which means they are almost impossible to find or locate, the only time you would be seeing those bad boys is on the national day parade. Anti ballistic missile defence today isnt really that effective, though russia is a bit ahead of the game since they possess the only operational ballistic missile defense system in the world. It works by tracking the missile by sattilite then a rocket is launched from its silo and collides with the warhead in space. America's missile defense capability is still a bit off, its best systems are designed to shoot down scuds not ICBMs but an AEGIS Standard Missile (SM-3) system is under development and will help fix this problem.

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So the Russians broke the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty and not the US? Then why is/was everyone upset at the US about it rather than at Russia?
 
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FreeAsia2000

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Totoro said:
With the increasing stockpiles of nukes of india and pakistan, i doubt china will be shunned by the international community for increasing its number of nukes. After all it has been in the original 5 of the nuclear club for decades now. Key is just to add more nukes gradually. With china being completely capable of producing a icmb with nuke warhead on its own, it'd be hard to track the exact numbers anyway.

Key is to make every nuke count, though. No missile silo nukes, just highly mobile launchers and subs. Mobile launchers are already deployed, even though i dont know in what numbers...but within some 5 years it's very safe to assume there'd be enough of them that they can't all be taken out in one stealthy strike. With nuke subs, well, that's hard to predict. If a dedicated program started today, based on 094 design, i'd take some 15 years to build and train a fleet of subs that'd allow for multiple subs to be out in the sea at any given time. Also, they'd need to be quiet enough so they can leave the ports without being tracked.
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Dosn't the US have underground bugs in the pacific to listen in on subs since the 1970's ?

Walter...it's called the PERCEPTION of threat...:D
 
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Totoro

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it has. but pacific ocean is vast. it cant be completely covered. it also had similar netwok in north atlantic but only from scnadinavia to greenland, otherwise itd just be too expensive to build it everywhere. but it wasnt foolproof. nowadays theyve more or less given up on that north atlantic network, even though russian subs still operate. russian subs know where each one is. its just not cost effective.

basically, having a sub in open seas is still be best bet to be safe, if you can achieve to get it away from your base without being tracked from the harbor.
 
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