PLA Anti-Air Gun systems

yeetmyboi said:

Yes, because today is not 1970. Your point is?

Suprisng why the PLA havent gone all out on their digital NODs or having every guy with a XM157 equivalent then. Oh wait, because commercial specs doesn't scale to military specs. This kind of "cheap tech" thinking is why Russia is failing so miserably when they decided that troops using their Huaweis or whatever they sell in Russia these days is better than a secured, EW-proof multiband radio and then got blasted by NATO ELINT assets. Tldr what applies to the public doesn't apply to the military, hence why DJI drones is continuously failing when RuAF decided maybe their 80s-era jammers still have some use and NATO is moving to milspec drones which are inherently more expensive. Otherwise every PLA arty battalions would have thousands of loitering munitions already.

Yes, there is the ZSD-89A chassis instead. What a convenience, why dont the PLA droned them into

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instead of building more of them?

Ukraine never had many functional vehicle to begin with...

Yes, and every bridge you pass is another wreck. Though for the PLAGF who should never deploy their ABCTs in an expeditionary fashion that would be useful I suppose. Either that or you go with FCS MGV style of modular protection. 20ton baseline with growth potential for Abrams-front-armour level all around (this is something I found from another forum so take it with a big grain of salt though). Either applique composite or KE-optimized (SL)ERA ie Rafael Armour Shield. APS(es) will deal with the slow movers anyway.

The IDF is pursuing a

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with a new turret that has Trophy intergrated. Given how most current AFVs has APS as a retrofit it seems to be the preferable solution. Regardless the role of an IFV is to provide fire support for other engaged elements, this kind of requirement, and thus, armanent can massively change depending on the type of war the PLAGF is expecting ( asymmetric/near-peer all out).

If anything the conflict in Ukraine has demonstrated the need for intergrated unit-level CRAM/C-UAS given the proliferation of cheap drones that can carry a substantial HEDP warhead. 2S38/T-15 with AU-220M or CV9040 Mk4 all proved the feasibility of mounting a dual-role armanent on an IFV with an acceptable magazine depth. Further back in time and we have 105mm MRAAS with 105mm ramjet sabot and sensor-fuzed multirole, even further there was the ARES XM274 that could shoot both APFSDS and HE-VT rounds. Targeting can be done by purely EO sensors, although cueing from APS radar or mounting an AESA FCR is entirely valid.

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TK3600 said:

PLA has been using thermals since 1995s when they are piss poor. Even a mayutka launcher get thermals. Don't talk if you don't know what you are talking about.

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yeetmyboi said:

And how widespread were those thermal-equipped HJ-73s in 1995? Any relevant numbers, percentages, etc? Also specs too, construction, durability, resolution and many more aspects matters because a 1st gen commercial thermal is different from the SEPv3's gunners sight.

But let's get back to the question that really needs to be answered, because " HJ-73s with thermals were fielded in 1995" is as relevant to "Suprisng why the PLA havent gone all out on their digital NODs or having every guy with a XM157 equivalent then" as "BMPs with masted thermals were in service since early 1980s" to " how many Soviet MBTs were equipped with thermals by the end of CW".

If you are so inclined to believe that fielding something based on the philosophies of the BMP series in the 21st century then I think we should just agree to disagree. Or maybe we have different interpretations of what constitute a BMP, or whatever.

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no_name said:

I think not all of them have fire control radar. Think they work in teams and radar is for revealing target and once they know where to look they can maybe track and target optically. It's not like the range of those guns extend beyond assisted visual range.

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no_name said:

I think not all of them have fire control radar. Think they work in teams and radar is for revealing target and once they know where to look they can maybe track and target optically. It's not like the range of those guns extend beyond assisted visual range.

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Maikeru said:

I thought this system was designed to work in pairs with HQ17(A)?

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no_name said:

I think not all of them have fire control radar. Think they work in teams and radar is for revealing target and once they know where to look they can maybe track and target optically. It's not like the range of those guns extend beyond assisted visual range.

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