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siegecrossbow

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Lol

Is the Garbacr twitter account the same as the Hnmmss account?

Another guy (also BUAA graduate) claims that the whole thing is fabricated and he knows the original source.

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最后(最后这一条其实不大可能),即便这个文档真的存在于某个学校的图书馆,我也不建议任何人为了与深度分析辩经去寻找、拍摄、传播它。因为如果真的存在这么一个涉军文档,这东西别的地方没有就你们学校有,那么你把它传播出来就是一个极度敏感的行为。对你自己只有百害无一利(辩经装逼那点成就感算不上利)
解释一下为什么觉得这个东西是假的,因为我看过某个君谜Q群达人晒的自己与深度分析之间的聊天记录。深度分析发布的该文档中的图片内容可以说完全等同于这个Q群达人微信发给深度分析的文字内容
甚至这个Q群达人自己也很奇怪:我只给了他一段字儿,他怎么搞到文档了呢?
所以真相极有可能是:该君谜Q群达人把这段字儿发给了深度分析并说这是内幕,深度分析在此基础上加工出了一个……
 

by78

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Moe Orca's view on WS-15. He's not the most reliable person, but it's worth hearing him out I think:
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Summery, he says these are his educated guess:
1. 18.5 tons max thrust is bullshit, real stats for WS-15 isn't published anywhere
2. WS-15 stats are likely to be broadly similar to F-119, that is 0.3 BPR, dry thrust 10 tons, wet thrust 15-16 tons, turbine inlet temperature 1900K, TWR 10.
3. You might feel those stats seem pretty disappointing and only slightly better than WS-10, and might even use more fuel than WS-10 at low altitude, but this is an engine optimized for high speed high altitude, under those operating conditions it's a huge step forward compared to WS-10
4. overall tech level same as F-119

In the weibo post he does say the nozzle is all new and looks very good, with strong emphasis on low IR and low RCS. He's also been repeatedly saying comparing sea level wet thrust as the "one stat to rule them all" is not the correct approach to judge engines and you need to know what the thrust curve is like, and we have no idea about thrust curve.

For your consideration.

Another guy (also BUAA graduate) claims that the whole thing is fabricated and he knows the original source.

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Blitzo

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I don't quote understand quoting those two posts and tagging sunnymaxi


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Another guy (also BUAA graduate) claims that the whole thing is fabricated and he knows the original source.

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So the original pictures were not merely selectively blacked out, but fully doctored in general?

In that case, where does that leave the other people saying that the J-16s had also locked onto the F-35s with their IRSTs or something, and that people are aware of an original unmodified document which changes the overall meaning of the picture?


This reeks of a silly slapfight but if there actually is a useful original document behind it then that is where the interest should be
 

latenlazy

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I don't quote understand quoting those two posts and tagging sunnymaxi


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So the original pictures were not merely selectively blacked out, but fully doctored in general?

In that case, where does that leave the other people saying that the J-16s had also locked onto the F-35s with their IRSTs or something, and that people are aware of an original unmodified document which changes the overall meaning of the picture?


This reeks of a silly slapfight but if there actually is a useful original document behind it then that is where the interest should be
If the J-20 part of the story is faked though maybe these posts need to be moved.
 

zszczhyx

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I don't think we can even be sure at this point that the original document actually exists. Not to mention if we can only conclude that it was J-16 that encountered f35 based on the information in the picture.

The originator thinks J-16 has better maneuverability than J-20. Maybe in his perception, no matter how advanced Chinese planes are, Russian planes must be better than Chinese planes. It may come as a surprise, but such Chinese people do exist. And this one reminds me of a Weibo account “深度军用飞机分析” that always argued the J-20 is backward, disregard the reasoning often went wrong. If someone debated him, he would unilaterally declare himself the winner.
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"Wouldn't the problem be worse if it was J-16? The flanker has better maneuverability than J-20."


 

siegecrossbow

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There is even a typo "变相". Corrected one should be "变向"(change direction). Hence, it lacks credibility entirely.

Dude now claiming he isn’t responsible for the rumor and wants the guys who exposed him to get arrested for slander. He literally can’t make this stuff up. Almost as ridiculous as Gordon Chang claiming that Chinese illegals were secret SeeSeePee agents.

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