PLA AEW&C, SIGINT, EW and MPA thread

Maikeru

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Considering the number of KJ-2000 (~4), E-3 (68) and A-50 AEW&C (~40) airframes delivered globally over the decades, as well as the number of E-7A Wedgetails (26) reportedly planned for the USAF, my hunch is that the average PLA theater command will at most receive a handful of KJ-3000 airframes and that's being generous.

Not too sure just how pricey the KJ-3000 is, but the USAF and ROKAF are reportedly paying ~$1.25 billion USD per Wedgetail.

One would expect the KJ-3000 to be significantly more cost effective given prevailing trends, but even at a third of the price of the E-7A, it's likely PLAAF orders will at most be in the dozens rather than in the hundreds.
KJ-3000 and its western equivalents represent a huge amount of capital that could be lost in each airframe, so I assume PLAAF will use it as part of a hi (KJ3000) -med (KJ5/700) - lo (WZ-9) networked mix.
 

Gloire_bb

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KJ-3000 and its western equivalents represent a huge amount of capital that could be lost in each airframe, so I assume PLAAF will use it as part of a hi (KJ3000) -med (KJ5/700) - lo (WZ-9) networked mix.
KJ-3000 has no western equivalents, though.
Wedgetails are small AWACS type, I.e. a faster KJ-500 equivalent .
The only similar modern platform is A-100.
 

Blitzo

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The nose contains an EO sensor for tracking stealth assets at long range.

Do you know this, or are you speculating? Because your statement sounds very confident, and while the idea of having a nose mounted large EO sensor is logical (ala KJ-700), we do have this decent quality photo of KJ-3000 from when it emerged originally and it does not look like it would have the geometry of a conventional EO turret (tapers sharply like a normal RF radome)

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KJ-3000 has no western equivalents, though.
Wedgetails are small AWACS type, I.e. a faster KJ-500 equivalent .
The only similar modern platform is A-100.

As previously discussed, the problem with that becomes one of prioritizing airframe size/configuration over sophistication of onboard systems, because one could make the argument that the subsystems of A-100 and KJ-3000 are of a similar expected calibre/sophistication.

There is no particular need to directly equate KJ-3000 with any other equivalent AEW&C in the world or in the west.



If anything it may be more instructive to view KJ-3000 as the first of its kind.
 

siegecrossbow

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Do you know this, or are you speculating? Because your statement sounds very confident, and while the idea of having a nose mounted large EO sensor is logical (ala KJ-700), we do have this decent quality photo of KJ-3000 from when it emerged originally and it does not look like it would have the geometry of a conventional EO turret (tapers sharply like a normal RF radome)

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As previously discussed, the problem with that becomes one of prioritizing airframe size/configuration over sophistication of onboard systems, because one could make the argument that the subsystems of A-100 and KJ-3000 are of a similar expected calibre/sophistication.

There is no particular need to directly equate KJ-3000 with any other equivalent AEW&C in the world or in the west.



If anything it may be more instructive to view KJ-3000 as the first of its kind.

It is not speculation. 万年炎帝confirmed it on his Weibo. Orca and Otter echoed this. Of course they might also be trolling because they know their accounts are being watched.

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Blitzo

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It is not speculation. 万年炎帝confirmed it on his Weibo. Orca and Otter echoed this. Of course they might also be trolling because they know their accounts are being watched.

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The idea of this thing having major subsystems apart from its primary radar is reasonable -- I also won't directly rule out the idea of it having major EO apertures (even if they are joking).

But is there anything in what they've written which should make us seriously entertain the idea that it has a nose mounted EO turret or write about such a notion as if it is confirmed? I legitimately can't see anything written there, and it is also inconsistent with the better quality picture of the aircraft I posted where it shows its nose without the telltale geometry of housing a conventional EO ball.



I ask, because the way you wrote about it made it sound like you were confirming it with confidence without a hint of doubt, so I was wondering if I missed something or if we were looking at different images of the aircraft.
 

siegecrossbow

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The idea of this thing having major subsystems apart from its primary radar is reasonable -- I also won't directly rule out the idea of it having major EO apertures (even if they are joking).

But is there anything in what they've written which should make us seriously entertain the idea that it has a nose mounted EO turret or write about such a notion as if it is confirmed? I legitimately can't see anything written there, and it is also inconsistent with the better quality picture of the aircraft I posted where it shows its nose without the telltale geometry of housing a conventional EO ball.



I ask, because the way you wrote about it made it sound like you were confirming it with confidence without a hint of doubt, so I was wondering if I missed something or if we were looking at different images of the aircraft.
我在想这玩意儿的光学窗口得多夸张//
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:除了雷达,还有更多秘密武器给你惊喜口牙!如此的强劲预警机,天下间还有什么可以抵挡?tmd,天下间还有什么可以抵挡了

Literally translates to “how insane must the EO window be”.
 

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我在想这玩意儿的光学窗口得多夸张//
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:除了雷达,还有更多秘密武器给你惊喜口牙!如此的强劲预警机,天下间还有什么可以抵挡?tmd,天下间还有什么可以抵挡了

Literally translates to “how insane must the EO window be”.

Yes, and there are other ways of having a highly capable EO sensor apart from a EO ball. For example, multiple fixed apertures placed around a fuselage (in the case of a large fuselage like KJ-3000/Y-20B, that may actually be somewhat of a more viable and capable configuration than a single EO ball)

Like I said, I'm not ruling out the possibility of there being a nose mounted EO ball, but I can't read anything in the text about an actual EO ball, and it's not corroborated (yet) by the images.
(This is assuming the EO window part is written seriously, which for the sake of discussion I assume it will be)
 

Gloire_bb

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If anything it may be more instructive to view KJ-3000 as the first of its kind.
I frankly doubt we know enough for that.
At this point we really know its class - as well that it's somehow justified over KJ-700 to keep funding.
Everything else comes down from that - we know that big jet aircraft have over medium turboprop ones, we know that big radars(esp. in lower bands) have over smaller ones.
Yes, and there are other ways of having a highly capable EO sensor apart from a EO ball. For example, multiple fixed apertures placed around a fuselage (in the case of a large fuselage like KJ-3000/Y-20B, that may actually be somewhat of a more viable and capable configuration than a single EO ball)
Ugh, wide FoW sensors can't match staring narrow fov mirrors.
 
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