PLA AEW&C, SIGINT, EW and MPA thread

[crobato]

No apparently not. It seems more in the line of a mass produced AEW vehicle intended to fill the gaps.

 

[tphuang]

Wow, there are a lot of pictures of KJ-200 coming out recently. I think I've finally got it figured out today.
Here is an article posted by huitong on the high new series.

两条线同时运行 八措施确保平稳
飞机公司根据今年科研、生产、经营计划，年初提出5月份要让两条部装线“流”起来，那么，目前两条部装线运行情况如何，还存在什么问题？记者日前就此采访了相关部门负责人。
Ⅱ 类平台部装线目前运行平稳，Ⅲ类平台部装线也于5月中旬全面启动。然而，要确保两条部装线长期平稳“流”动，仍存在许多问题：外扩厂家的生产能力不能满足公司需求；部装生产线熟练工人缺乏；精铸件大批量超差等等。针对这些问题，公司副总经理、飞机公司总经理庄楚炯强调，要在加强职工培训、加大“外扩”力度、建立供应管理体系、推进EPCS为核心的生产计划管理模式、实施库房管理、推行流程优化等方面下功夫，提高效率，减少浪费，确保生产有序推进。
要尽快培养大量的独立操作工人，特别是部装分厂的操作工人，以适应两条线同时装配的需求；零件分厂要通过推行“两班倒”或“三班倒”的工作方式，提高设备利用率，并且将成熟、易干、批量大的零件争取“外扩”等方式，确保计划完成率；进一步加大零件“外扩”力度，站在公司利益的高度，以追求两条部装线顺畅地“ 流”起来为目的，做好策划，“优选”厂家，将“外扩”厂家作为公司利益共同体，共同制定零件生产计划；要尽快建立供应管理体系，研究分析合理库存量，提高周转率，建立价格数据库和库存数据库，降低采购成本，提高采购效率，用好有限资金，解决货运快递渠道；在计划管理方面，继续推进以EPCS为核心的生产计划管理模式并不断完善EPCS数据库，现场跟踪计划执行情况，提高计划完成率；在库房管理方面，时刻掌握库存，并研究合理“配送”方案；要进一步加大信息系统的建设和应用，提高工作效率，增强透明度；要用精益的思想和精益管理工具，以效率、节约、质量和安全为目的，推进全员改善活动，不断优化工作流程等。
在此基础上，公司还加大了对相关单位的考核力度，例如在评选优胜单位时，必须完成月批次类等成品0.8架机以上，才够入选条件。另外，计划的执行力也是严格考核的项目之一，对调度决议和措施计划等要求必须100%完成，坚决杜绝推诿、扯皮现象。

Basically, the article says that SAC has two assembly lines going right now, one for category 2 platform and the other for category 3 platform. It says that Category 2 line is flowing smoothly and the category 3 line is fully in motion. The SAC needs to be assembling planes at least at 0.8 planes per month (ie: 10 planes a year). So basically, PLA is ordering at minimum 10 high new series planes a year. And since category 3 platform have always been used for KJ-200, it looks like there is quite a huge order put in for it. I'm guessing at least 4 more for another regiment. It looks like since the 2006 tragedy, they modified the plane (as we've seen in the recent photos) and the newly equipped regiment of KJ-200s are probably all using this newly modified platform and probably all produced in the past year. The older KJ-200 are probably at the testing center, maybe they have one with the navy already. The third picture that's attached is a photo of the cockpit of the high new series planes. The last two are most likely KJ-200 currently being assembled (the 6 blade propeller indicates category 3 platform).

Now, the first picture is one of the high new series 2 type. The second picture is one of the high new series 4 type. The interesting part is that it has the number 10015, which means they are getting another regiment (basically 4 more) of this type of planes. It looks like PLAAF really likes this plane to already be getting 2 regiments. By Huitong's current estimate, it looks like there are 1 regiments of high new series 2, 3, 4, 7 and KJ-200. It looks like they don't need any more than 1 regiment of high new series 3 (which is the command version). So, it's likely going to be 4 KJ-200 and 6+ Y-8s split amongst high new series 2, 4 and 7.

 

[FugitiveVisions]

Wow, there are a lot of pictures of KJ-200 coming out recently. I think I've finally got it figured out today.
Here is an article posted by huitong on the high new series.

Basically, the article says that SAC has two assembly lines going right now, one for category 2 platform and the other for category 3 platform. It says that Category 2 line is flowing smoothly and the category 3 line is fully in motion. The SAC needs to be assembling planes at least at 0.8 planes per month (ie: 10 planes a year). So basically, PLA is ordering at minimum 10 high new series planes a year. And since category 3 platform have always been used for KJ-200, it looks like there is quite a huge order put in for it. I'm guessing at least 4 more for another regiment. It looks like since the 2006 tragedy, they modified the plane (as we've seen in the recent photos) and the newly equipped regiment of KJ-200s are probably all using this newly modified platform and probably all produced in the past year. The older KJ-200 are probably at the testing center, maybe they have one with the navy already. The third picture that's attached is a photo of the cockpit of the high new series planes. The last two are most likely KJ-200 currently being assembled (the 6 blade propeller indicates category 3 platform).

Now, the first picture is one of the high new series 2 type. The second picture is one of the high new series 4 type. The interesting part is that it has the number 10015, which means they are getting another regiment (basically 4 more) of this type of planes. It looks like PLAAF really likes this plane to already be getting 2 regiments. By Huitong's current estimate, it looks like there are 1 regiments of high new series 2, 3, 4, 7 and KJ-200. It looks like they don't need any more than 1 regiment of high new series 3 (which is the command version). So, it's likely going to be 4 KJ-200 and 6+ Y-8s split amongst high new series 2, 4 and 7.

Nice analysis. Just like to point out that Huitong calls the one with the cheek radars High 3 and the command version High 4. And PLAAF probably doesn't need more than one regiment of High 7 anyway, so we'll probably see mostly 2, 3 and KJ-200s.

BTW, what happened with High 6, the ASW patrol version?

 

[pla101prc]

Wow, there are a lot of pictures of KJ-200 coming out recently. I think I've finally got it figured out today.
Here is an article posted by huitong on the high new series.

Basically, the article says that SAC has two assembly lines going right now, one for category 2 platform and the other for category 3 platform. It says that Category 2 line is flowing smoothly and the category 3 line is fully in motion. The SAC needs to be assembling planes at least at 0.8 planes per month (ie: 10 planes a year). So basically, PLA is ordering at minimum 10 high new series planes a year. And since category 3 platform have always been used for KJ-200, it looks like there is quite a huge order put in for it. I'm guessing at least 4 more for another regiment. It looks like since the 2006 tragedy, they modified the plane (as we've seen in the recent photos) and the newly equipped regiment of KJ-200s are probably all using this newly modified platform and probably all produced in the past year. The older KJ-200 are probably at the testing center, maybe they have one with the navy already. The third picture that's attached is a photo of the cockpit of the high new series planes. The last two are most likely KJ-200 currently being assembled (the 6 blade propeller indicates category 3 platform).

Now, the first picture is one of the high new series 2 type. The second picture is one of the high new series 4 type. The interesting part is that it has the number 10015, which means they are getting another regiment (basically 4 more) of this type of planes. It looks like PLAAF really likes this plane to already be getting 2 regiments. By Huitong's current estimate, it looks like there are 1 regiments of high new series 2, 3, 4, 7 and KJ-200. It looks like they don't need any more than 1 regiment of high new series 3 (which is the command version). So, it's likely going to be 4 KJ-200 and 6+ Y-8s split amongst high new series 2, 4 and 7.

you saved the pentagon a lot of money there, they should pay you for this stuff lol

 

[tphuang]

Nice analysis. Just like to point out that Huitong calls the one with the cheek radars High 3 and the command version High 4. And PLAAF probably doesn't need more than one regiment of High 7 anyway, so we'll probably see mostly 2, 3 and KJ-200s.

BTW, what happened with High 6, the ASW patrol version?

There was an article from SAC that said China placed an order for 2 High New 6, but I haven't seen any such photos. It's certainly not as fun as 2005 when they unveiled a new high new series Y-8 every week.

you saved the pentagon a lot of money there, they should pay you for this stuff lol

it helps to read between the lines.

 

[challenge]

most of the high new series aircraft or the AWACS needed some sort of data link ,not only to exchange information betwen aircraft or fighter aircraft,but also ability to downlink into central high quarter for further intelligent analysis or "data mining"
according to kanwa, China had purchased solfware from belorussia for netcentric warfare program,but for the whole system to work, you needed a jam proof data link.

 

[challenge]

according to official information, the KJ-2000 has max. detection range of 1200km,look down range 800km, 300km against stealth target.
able to track 1800 target, and process 700~900 targets,and contro,up to 2000 aircraft.
aside fro aerial surveillance, the radar also capable of track ground target.

 

[Skywatcher]

What's the official source and what sizes are the targets?

 

[Pointblank]

challenge, you do realize how big a 1200km radius circle is? That's an area between Madrid, Spain to Zurich, Switzerland to Bucharest in Romania. That's essentially all of central Europe. A radar that is that powerful to track a area of that big has to be a very big and extremely powerful radar that just can't be carried by any airplane available today.

 

[challenge]

challenge, you do realize how big a 1200km radius circle is? That's an area between Madrid, Spain to Zurich, Switzerland to Bucharest in Romania. That's essentially all of central Europe. A radar that is that powerful to track a area of that big has to be a very big and extremely powerful radar that just can't be carried by any airplane available today.

I simple quoted from the article from tai kong pao,detection range for E-3C sentry is 450km,but remember this is conventional mechanical slotted antenna.for KJ-2000 adapt AESA,which I believe may have longer range,but still I doubt the article.