PLA AEW&C, SIGINT, EW and MPA thread

[Jeff Head]

What we don't know from these exercises if these aircraft are equipped with advanced IRST, or anything like AIM-9X with HMS.

Exactly...we do not know. And the US military is not going to publish it.

But it is a safe bet that they train the aircraft and personnel against the best that they are likely to confront in any possible confrontation with OPFOR. So they are training and performing exercises against whatever the best that it is envisioned that a possible OPFOR could field.

That is a safe place to start. And in the exercises I am aware of, the OPFOR has had a very difficult time even finding the F-22, much less locking on to it and scoring kills.

 

[crobato]

Exactly...we do not know. And the US military is not going to publish it.

But it is a safe bet that they train the aircraft and personnel against the best that they are likely to confront in any possible confrontation with OPFOR. So they are training and performing exercises against whatever the best that it is envisioned that a possible OPFOR could field.

That is a safe place to start. And in the exercises I am aware of, the OPFOR has had a very difficult time even finding the F-22, much less locking on to it and scoring kills.

Was reading some posts in DT, and there was a claim there that the Typhoons did detect the F-22 and the exercise that was to be held between them was aborted. I don't know if the story is true or not.

 

[Jeff Head]

Was reading some posts in DT, and there was a claim there that the Typhoons did detect the F-22 and the exercise that was to be held between them was aborted. I don't know if the story is true or not.

I cannot imagine them aborting it simply because an F-22 was detected.

Detecting and locking on are two very different animals...so even if they did detect (and I have not heard this), then I would think that both sides would explore what they could do with it. After all, that is one of the purposes of such exercises.

 

[challenge]

There's doubt whether AWACS can track or lock on F-22.
But once the missile go near the F-22 vincinity, the F-22 stealth advantage disappear. The missile's radar and IR seeker can actively seek out the plane in close range.

I am not saying relying AWACS to do everything but once it can detect F-22's vincity, its job is done and the rest let the missile take care of it.

The key is develope a very advanced missile but the cost is lot lower than develope a plane to counter the F-22.

acording to the newspaper, KJ-2000 able to detect f-22 size fighter at 200 km away.but F-22 APG-79 AESA can detect 15 meter's RCS more than 400 km away.
Plan version AMRAAM will be power by ramjet, this give AMRAAM excess of 120km away.
during the exercise,between F-22 and F-15, USAF pilot claim that the F-22 AESA was so good, it could even replace E-3 Sentry !

 

[Jeff Head]

acording to the newspaper, KJ-2000 able to detect f-22 size fighter at 200 km away.

Detecting an F-22 sized fighter is one thing...detecting the F-22 itself is something entirely different. The F-22 will not appear to be that size.

 

[lilzz]

acording to the newspaper, KJ-2000 able to detect f-22 size fighter at 200 km away.but F-22 APG-79 AESA can detect 15 meter's RCS more than 400 km away.
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F-22 radar will be limited by its size and power, whereas radar on the AWACS doesn't have such limitation. soon or later the radar on the AWACS should be able surpass the F-22 due to inherent limitation.
AWACS should be able to detect the F-22 first using its long wave radar.

 

[lilzz]

Exactly...we do not know. And the US That is a safe place to start. And in the exercises I am aware of, the OPFOR has had a very difficult time even finding the F-22, much less locking on to it and scoring kills.

maybe OPFOR only uses microwave radar, it doesn't have longwave radar??

 

[Pointblank]

maybe OPFOR only uses microwave radar, it doesn't have longwave radar??

Longwave radar isn't accurate enough for firing weapons with.

 

[lilzz]

Longwave radar isn't accurate enough for firing weapons with.

That's why we are talking this theoretical advanced missile that fired near the vincinity and the missile would seek out the plane in the neighborhood.

 

[Pointblank]

That's why we are talking this theoretical advanced missile that fired near the vincinity and the missile would seek out the plane in the neighborhood.

All you would have is a fuzzy idea of where the F-22 is; you may be off by as much as a kilometre or more. Long wave radar is only good for early warning; in otherwords knowing that the enemy is coming. Pointing a weapon is an entirely different story.

Furthermore size of a radar is no longer a critical factor as it was 20 years ago, with the advances in radar technology today.