PLA AEW&C, SIGINT, EW and MPA thread
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Well, words out that the KJ2000 AWACS can detect and treack F-22.
is that means the plane feature both longwave radar + AESA??
Now, if this plane can detect F-22, then this means it can detect F-22 first before F-22 could because it feature much powerful radars board.
Now, it can direct a fighter to fire one of its BVR fifth generation ram-jet long range A2A missile to F-22 vincity and the missile will have its own radar to seek out F-22 in detail.
is that means the plane feature both longwave radar + AESA??
Now, if this plane can detect F-22, then this means it can detect F-22 first before F-22 could because it feature much powerful radars board.
Now, it can direct a fighter to fire one of its BVR fifth generation ram-jet long range A2A missile to F-22 vincity and the missile will have its own radar to seek out F-22 in detail.
RedMercury
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Whether it can detect and track the F-22 is in no doubt, whether it can do so at useful ranges is the question.
Also, just because the KJ2000 can, doesn't mean a missile can.
Also, just because the KJ2000 can, doesn't mean a missile can.
There's doubt whether AWACS can track or lock on F-22.
But once the missile go near the F-22 vincinity, the F-22 stealth advantage disappear. The missile's radar and IR seeker can actively seek out the plane in close range.
I am not saying relying AWACS to do everything but once it can detect F-22's vincity, its job is done and the rest let the missile take care of it.
The key is develope a very advanced missile but the cost is lot lower than develope a plane to counter the F-22.
But once the missile go near the F-22 vincinity, the F-22 stealth advantage disappear. The missile's radar and IR seeker can actively seek out the plane in close range.
I am not saying relying AWACS to do everything but once it can detect F-22's vincity, its job is done and the rest let the missile take care of it.
The key is develope a very advanced missile but the cost is lot lower than develope a plane to counter the F-22.
I am not sure at all that this is the case.
The radar stealth features of the F-22 will remain in place and whether the missile seeker can weed it out is not at all definitive. The F-22 is also equiped with a very advanced and effective ECM suite in case the missile does lock-on. Same with the IR, because the F-22 employs IR masking technology as well.
Not a sure thing at all that the current missiles can effectively do what you stated.
The expert, crobato already states that IR seeker is extremely effective that IR can detect stuffs from far away object in cold space, detect a mice in a house...etc. The F-22 IR mask is based on the using the cold fuel to cool down the host exhaust before they exit. But once the missile in vincity it will detect the F-22. On the radar, what if using spread spectrum technology.
All aspect IR seekers are admittedly more difficult to defeat...but the F-22 has been designed to do so and will have a better chance than almost anything else flying...and not just due to exhaust masking.
Spread spectrum frequency hopping is well understood and taken into account in the ECM package. The radar lock will be more easily defeated IMHO, unless the missile itself has an unbelievabley sophisticated targeting algorythm, and an unbelievably powerful AECM suite.
To date, in training exercises, aircraft in the near vicinity of the F-22, with much stronger ir AND radar lock and ECM capabilities than a small missile, have had a very tough time even finding the aircraft with their instrumentation.
take a look at my thread of designing a super-stealthy asymmetric cruise missile. I posted a theoretically very IR quiet missile, gliding, RAM coated , turning off the engine, flying in the rain.... that should easily have less IR sig than the F-22. yet, folks insist it can still be detected under IR.
So, if people are confident my theoretically stealthy missile can be detected and tracked then I am confident the less stealthy F-22 can be tracked and locked.
I am not willing to say that what you are proposing is or is not more IR stealthy than the F-22. But, having worked in the US military aircraft industry earlier in my career, if I had to bet, I would bet on the F-22.
I do know that in training exercise against very good pilotin various very good aircraft from US and allied nations, they have had a very difficult time finding the F-22.
What we don't know from these exercises if these aircraft are equipped with advanced IRST, or anything like AIM-9X with HMS. I think you will see a reference to that in another thread here, and also the emphasis of the F-22 for BVR. Some of the IR masking measures sounds like they are good against the AIM-9L generation of missiles, but questionable against the next generation of wideband IIR seekers and IRSTs, without seriously redesigning the plane from top to bottom.